Originally Posted By leobloom >> Take any country in EPCOT and they present a quick overview. sometimes very stereotypical... as they have about 12 minutes or so to do so.. << Good point, but the other countries' movies don't aspire to teach history in the same way that AA does. Still, you're right: there's stereotyping going on all over World Showcase.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> How were those Smithsonian Bathrooms? << They're okay, but they don't hold a candle to the Library of Congress bathrooms.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> You must put history in the context of the time slaveholding was a natural part of life. It was practice by all cultures around the world. It was not exclusive to the colonies. Africans themselves have always, and still do practice slavery. What you are deoing is judging the Founding Fathers out of the historical setting they grew up in. You can not compare the United States then by saying it was morally wrong. Because it wasn't in that time frame. << I'm just pointing out that their definition of "liberty" is quite different from ours--not something the AA cares to consider. But that's okay. That song at the end makes up for everything.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> Honestly would you want the greastest ... << At first I thought you were going to say the greasiest, and I was going to agree fully. Well, we do have the finest restrooms in the world, if you don't count France.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> It was meant to inspire like all of EPCOT Center was meant to do. << You say 'inspiring,' I say 'maudlin.' As Gershwin would say ...Let's call the whole thing off.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> What you said earlier reminded me of Ayn Rand. A writer I very much enjoy. << Speaking of cartoon characters...
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Well, we do have the finest restrooms in the world, if you don't count France. << Having a bidet means everything.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> At first I thought you were going to say the greasiest, and I was going to agree fully. << Grease is the word.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> You say 'inspiring,' I say 'maudlin.' As Gershwin would say ...Let's call the whole thing off. << I figured you were a showtunes kind of guy too.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Speaking of cartoon characters... << I take it your not an Ayn Rand fan.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<I hate to tell you this, but we are the bastion of freedom in this world. (Here comes another long debate with Spirit.) Because you feel differently about a view point doesn't change that fact. We are free, but we must live under the laws that have been laid down for us. That's what makes us civilized. If you don't like the law, work hard to change it. That is the freedom you have been afforded by past generations. You must also respect the freedom of others in the process. We have not yet digressedd to the point that only one view on a matter is allowed. So you must take into consideration people with opposing views. They have rights also. Are you suggesting their rights should be trampled on because of your beliefs.>> Ignoring the bastion of freedom talk... Hhere's something I never, nor never will understand. No matter how hard I try, one view point will never be clear or rational to me: What rights are trampled on if gay people are given the ability to marry?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer Youi are very much misinformed. I'm far right, and I don't believe that at all. I do believe that Christianity had a very strong influence in the founding of this nation. Like I said reread Sparks he was actually living in those times He's not some left wing Pseudo modern day Philosopher that only cares about rewriting the facts of history. <<< I don't think this is rewriting, more as it's uncovering new evidence to paint a clearer and broader picture of the past. We are looking at it with a spectrum of new insight into it, and that is why there is the doubt and semantics we are debating now. I don't think I am misinformed, either...As you quoted Ayn Rand, I think that what I am hearing, and talking about is a very, very vocal minority. >>> It saids they had a respect for other religions. To deny the Christianity of the Founding Fathers is to deny real History. <<< I don't. But to say that America is based totally in Christianity and not in the Deistic and Masonic Principles they believed in is also denying what happened and how we exist today. ( I think we are saying the same thing but can't look past our own point's semantics. ;-) ) >>>George Washington Church of England / Episcopal John Adams Unitarian Benjamin Franklin Episcopalian <<< Despite that, there is still the deistic backgrounds and thoughts they had. It's like me... I'm a Jew. But I'm a believer in Deism. See what I mean? >>Now finish packing I hate a messy suitcase.<< Done! And already made the trip to WalMart (Ew. *sees Spirit explode in the background*) to pick up provisions. Good thread, Pierce.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I believed it was ban in England in 1774. However indentured servitude was practiced much later than that, and still is in parts of the world today. However, the basic principals of freedom were universally ignored around the world. That is what is so wonderful about our crazy radical thinking Founding Fathers.<<< You would be correct on all points, good sir. Mind if I ask what gives you such a impressive knowledge in History? Profession, or just interest?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Rewrite, or trying to shed more light on the past? Changing History to fit your agenda is not shedding light on a subject. But what you imply is something I do not like at all. Exactly what am I implying?<<< Exactly. And I don't go for that either. But new knowledge found in the past is vital to us. And that's what I support. >>>> Bipartianship is what seperates us now. Comprimise, mutual respect, and understanding is what will reunite us once again<<< Beautifully said! >>Congratulations. Feels good doesn't it. By the way when do you leave for the World? I know you are very much looking forward to it. Make sure, and say hello to my ancestor the 14th President of the United States when you're in The Hall of Presidents. Be sure to cheer, and applaud at the end of the presentation.<< Tomorrow morning bright and early, I see where the knowledge and love for History comes now, and I ALWAYS cheer.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>They're okay, but they don't hold a candle to the Library of Congress bathrooms.<<< I prefer Foggy Bottom GWU Potties.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>That song at the end makes up for everything.<<< Indeed. Spirit---- Wanna see me bawl like a baby?!?!? Put me in the AA. LOL.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> Foggy Bottom GWU << I wish WDW would open a DC Metro ride. That would actually get me away from the pixie dust potties.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>> Hhere's something I never, nor never will understand. No matter how hard I try, one view point will never be clear or rational to me: What rights are trampled on if gay people are given the ability to marry><<< WHat he said.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I wish WDW would open a DC Metro ride. That would actually get me away from the pixie dust potties.<<< SO HAPPY you knew what I was talking about. ;-) And yeah, that would be fun in AA...
Originally Posted By leobloom >> I take it your not an Ayn Rand fan. << Read the Fountainhead years ago. I don't like writers who have an obvious agenda, and I think Rand is more interested in her agenda than human behavior. I had a friend who read the Fountainhead and Atlas and they "changed his life." Of course, he's a spoiled brat with a silver spoon in his mouth. Maybe that helps when it comes to appreciating her work?
