Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "You are painting with the same broad brush that Beaumandy uses. One Iranian couple you know that abuses the system makes everyone bad." They were the latest ones. There were the two Mexican couples before them today, and the several hundred of varying ethnic backgrounds this past few months. Don't even try to tell me how the system I work in is being affected. You have no idea. "Everyone living OUTSIDE of California knows why life INSIDE of California sucks." Oh really? Educate us, then. "Proposition and Referendum has made it completely impossible to raise the tax revenue that any state needs to exist. You've done it to yourself... you deserve whatever you get." Where in hell does all this suddenly come from? Speaking for myself, I've been saying we need to raise taxes for quite some time now. However, given that we have one of the most porous borders known to man, if the state was able to close it and find a way for collected tax dollars to go towards services for the people who actually paid those taxes, we wouldn't need to raise them. Tell you what. Come work for the government out here for a while and then see if you still have the nerve to tell us we get what we deserve. You'll find you've embarrassed yourself. We're getting what we have here because people think we need to accommodate people who don't contribute and don't belong. Illegal aliens will bankrupt California yet.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "And your tax burden is STILL 20th out of 50. Are you guys just cheap or what?" This is laughable. You willing to pay for a hundred people you never met to live in your house, eat your food, use your utilities and increase your insurance rates, just off the top of my head, because you have a job and all hundred of them don't? And then still have to pay all your own expenses? Didn't think so.
Originally Posted By DaveM >>> Anything else and you are just a bunch or wannabe liberals <<< Who is a wanna be liberal???
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Comparing tax burdens: 10 Minnesota 10.70% 20 California 10.30% The strain Minnesotans must be under.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>Could any true Christian see such poverty so close to us and be totally opposed to sharing the huge wealth of this nation with those who are just looking for a chance to make a better life for themselves?<< I think allowing illegals in has its immoral side: 1) It makes the rich richer at the expense of everyone else. 2) It displaces unskilled American workers from their jobs, as they are displaced by lower paid illegals.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<The strain Minnesotans must be under.>> Yes, Minnesota pays about 4% more in state/local taxes. It isn't going to put me in the poor farm But my point was that many Californians keep screaming about how much legal/illegal immigration costs them, and it obviously doesn't cost you THAT much or your tax burden would be higher. Although we obviously wouldn’t have the number of legal/illegal immigrants that California would have, considering our population Minnesota has far more than its share of immigrants. And for who knows what reason, it has never been a big issue to us. Do we have problems with immigrants? Hell yes. One of our biggest crime problems right now seems to be with Somali gangs. We also have a considerable problem with gang members from Chicago and St. Louis moving to Minneapolis. Do I like it? Of course not. But we will figure out a way to handle it other than putting up a KEEP OUT sign at our state borders. Because that is the way we are.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>And your tax burden is STILL 20th out of 50. Are you guys just cheap or what?<< Perhaps the beef is that they don't feel they are getting their money's worth.
Originally Posted By EdisYoda I've got an idea then... we'll ship all the illegal aliens to your house RoadTrip
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>But my point was that many Californians keep screaming about how much legal/illegal immigration costs them, and it obviously doesn't cost you THAT much or your tax burden would be higher.<< Just because they haven't raised taxes doesn't mean that there isn't a strain. Keep in mind that California has laws like prop 13 to keep endless tax increases from happening. It requires a 2/3 majority from voters to approve bond sales for instance. Property taxes can't always track a houses value. So income is restricted, but outlays are mushrooming. That is called being between a rock and a hard place. And since voters know that the bulk of monies raised will go to provide services to illegals, they're just saying "Hell no"
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<I've got an idea then... we'll ship all the illegal aliens to your house RoadTrip >> I would be perfectly happy with the Twin Cities metro area taking the number of immigrants that would be appropriate based on our population. To tell you the truth, I don’t think we are terribly far away from equity already. But I don't see a big deal with accepting any others needed to make things better.
Originally Posted By jonvn "It requires a 2/3 majority from voters to approve bond sales for instance." That's new taxes that requires a 2/3 super-majority. Bonds can pass with a simple majority, which is why since prop13, every ballot has at least half a dozen bond measures on it. It's the only way to fund things now.
Originally Posted By barboy If every illegal visitor left California the first 2 major things adversely affected would be food production(fruits and vegis from the central valley) and direct care(grooming, bathing, feeding and bathroom assistance) to our elderly. It's a catch 22: it's either scurvy and soiled Depends or a profound financial strain on the welfare state.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<So income is restricted, but outlays are mushrooming. >> As I said; that is the whole California problem. You just don't pay enough taxes because of I&R. You're not spending too much. You are paying too little.
Originally Posted By Dave Only in Calif do we have to have these. <a href="http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/1839577/1/92134098" target="_blank">http://www.smugmug.com/gallery /1839577/1/92134098</a> Maybe if we got rid of the signs maybe half the problem would go away to.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip ^^^ Yes, I know. But some people really LIKE Darkbeer's photos. I'd hate to deprive them of that happiness. ;-)
Originally Posted By DaveM Opps my last two posts was meant to be by me not Dave. Sorry if I offended CM
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<what does darkbeer have to do with that photo??>> Geez Louise... don't you know what a WINKIE means? The last time I checked, the smugmug photo gallery displayed photos taken by Darkbeer.
