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Originally Posted By dlkozy >>>""I don't really feel Joe Jackson represents the family." "<<< You can certainly feel that way all you want-but according to the news JJ is the person that is setting things up. So if that is true he is indeed the person who is representing the family at this time.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "You can certainly feel that way all you want-but according to the news JJ is the person that is setting things up." The man is 80 years old. How much "setting up" can he really be doing?
Originally Posted By barboy ///They(California) weren't about to compel a minor child to testify about something like this. It was as simple as that./// Why???? If the DA's office were holding reliable information that MJ was indeed doing unspeakable acts with child(children) then this explanation makes no sense, none. Now if the DA's office merely thought MJ **might** be one who bothers children then your take does make sense. But operating under the assumption of MK's true, bonafide guilt what is more important to California: protecting 1 from anonymously going to court to testitfy or try to protect future children from a similar fate? In this context the welfare of 2 or more should always trump the welfare of one, always! ///Without a good witness, no conviction./// If the witness(s) is untrustworthy why do you factually conclude that MJ committed lascivious acts on a child--- I can understand having suspicions though because I have them too but how do you make the leap to fact? ///There were assurances all around this(MJ sexually messing with a child) was an aberration///. And now I'm even more perplexed. We all know statistically that an adult who sexually lusts and goes after children in say 1985 would have a high propensity to continue that lustful pattern in 1995, 2005 and so on if unchecked. You know this, I know this, I would assume just about everyone reading this topic knows this too and a DA specializing in sexual assault cases sure as heck knows it. So why would a prosecuting office go for such a deal as to treat criminal pedophilia as an aberration?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder barboy- I can only tell you what I know. They didn't want to force a child to testify about molestation. Period. Take a read of this thread. I've posted quite a lot of negative stuff about the guy, and a lot of people don't like it. A lot of people don't want to believe it. DAs get the same pressure much more impressive sources at times. It sucks, but very often justice doesn't prevail. It's why I'm a firm believer in karma. I'm sad someone with such talent is dead, but as far as I'm concerned, all things being equal, I'm not losing any sleep over it because karma won out.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 Take a read of this thread. I've posted quite a lot of negative stuff about the guy, and a lot of people don't like it. A lot of people don't want to believe it. DAs get the same pressure much more impressive sources at times. It sucks, but very often justice doesn't prevail. It's why I'm a firm believer in karma. I'm sad someone with such talent is dead, but as far as I'm concerned, all things being equal, I'm not losing any sleep over it because karma won out.<< Everybody dies eventually.... So how did bad Karma do Michael in? Just don't understand your reasoning....
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Just don't understand your reasoning...." Me either. SPP you make it sound like MJ was going to live forever and somehow his death was payback for his misdeeds. The man wasn't immortal.
Originally Posted By barboy I don't know about you two(WK99, HR) but I hope to be here well past 50.......50 is so very young compared to the stereotypical elderly age of say 85. So I can only assume that is what SPP is getting at, meaning Jackson's bad karma denied him another 30 or more years of earth time.
Originally Posted By dlkozy >>>"The man is 80 years old. How much "setting up" can he really be doing? "<<< As Patriarch of his family, Joe Jackson still seems to have control and demands to keep as much control as possible. Hence the reports of his being so involved (seeing that the phrase "setting things up" caused confusion) with MJ's memorial and etc.
Originally Posted By dlkozy >>>" but I hope to be here well past 50..."<< Let me add well past 50 and healthy. I don't know that I want to be very ill and old too!
Originally Posted By Sara Tonin That goes without saying...but, most of us are looking forward to at least some retirement time
Originally Posted By Mr X ***If you'd like, I can tell you crap about Joe Jackson, Michael' body, where it's been, and everything that he wants for free that would make your head spin.*** I'd DEFINITELY like to hear this. Do tell!
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "***If you'd like, I can tell you crap about Joe Jackson, Michael' body, where it's been, and everything that he wants for free that would make your head spin.*** I'd DEFINITELY like to hear this. Do tell!" Let's put it this way. He's been dead, what, 12 days or so now? He's been bounced around to at least five different mortuaries for "safekeeping". People have been trying to break into the mortuaries at night, presumably to get at him. He spent a good deal of time at an old, out of the way cemetery/mortuary here in Long Beach. He's also been in Burbank, Gardena, Whittier and Covina. He finally got moved to a place that already had armed guards on site, so their presence wouldn't bring suspicion as much as they might to a mortuary that didn't have any previously. About the only place he hasn't been is where most people assumed he was, and that's been Hollywood Hills. He might finally be there now, if indeed he's planted there tomorrow. As I mentioned before, Joe Jackson wants everything comped. Everything. He wants a free plot or mausoluem, a free top of the line, mother of pearl inlaid casket, a gold ornament not unlike a hood ornament on a car for the casket, a statue, free perpetual maintenance, his own name on the headstone in some way like "...son of his beloved father Joseph", the private service free and all the upkeep on the body comped, which has been considerable. He's been told in no uncertain terms he's had to pay cash up front. And also as I said before, when the L.A. County coroner embalmed him no one figured he'd be above ground still 12 days later. He's been through two autopsies now, and another embalming. He's "viewable", but not for too much longer and not without a lot of work. He's been moved a lot, and he's not refrigerated for that, and the story goes he's been pulled out of the drawer more than once so he can be looked at. I know who has asked for this, but for now I really shouldn't say. The mortuary business is a rather close knit one, and when you know someone in it, or more than one person, as my family does, you get to hear this stuff whether you want to or not, and we've been getting regular updates. If Joe Jackson wasn't such a tool, insisting it's an "honor" to deal with the body and then haggling over the money with the cemetery and then the city of L.A., Michael Jackson could have had a dignified burial a week ago. After all, Farrah Fawcett died in the same day and she's been buried for several days now. They still could have had a memorial service like the one tomorrow. Last anyone heard, the body won't be at Staples, although both Joseph and Katherine go back and forth on that one. No way would it be open, though. The cemetery and people who are thinking straight are strongly advising burying him tomorrow morning before the Staples event.
Originally Posted By mele << his own name on the headstone in some way like "...son of his beloved father Joseph",>> This sounds entirely accurate.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Me either. SPP you make it sound like MJ was going to live forever and somehow his death was payback for his misdeeds. The man wasn't immortal." I have no idea how you'd come to that conclusion. Look, I've made my feelings pretty clear, at least I think I have. The guy died young. For those of you who don't think so, who think 50 is old enough, wait until you get to 50 and then check back with us. Hell, 60 is too young to die as far as I'm concerned. Given what I've stated I know and believe about his life and what he did, while maybe he didn't pay for it here on earth, karma caught up with him and he paid for it in another way, by having his life cut short. That's my opinion.
Originally Posted By mele I think MJ's life was over a long time ago. He may have been free but that guy had so many demons that he was in a different kind of prison. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I think that was more "karma" than death ever could be.
Originally Posted By Mr X Yikes. Interesting stuff, Passholder. And it doesn't surprise me one bit. Sad.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***his own name on the headstone in some way like "...son of his beloved father Joseph"*** This just makes me want to puke, given how OBVIOUSLY Michael feared and hated the man.
Originally Posted By Sara Tonin I think of death as not a punishment, but a passage to the afterlife or the next life. We are set upon the world to accomplish our own life lessons and then we move on.
