Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt Can we please put the pedophile thing to rest? He was acquitted of the charges and both "victims" and their families were proven to be less than credible. MJ was a kook for sure, but there is no evidence that he ever molested underage boys.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones The victims were not proven to be less than credible, the parents of one of the victims was. You don't have to molest underage boys to be a pedophile.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "He was acquitted of the charges" It doesn't mean that the public may not come to their own conclusions. The verdicts are certainly taken into account, but the court of public opinion isn't solidified in their opinion of Michael Jackson.
Originally Posted By Mr X Not this again. Okay, we ALL have our opinions on the thing. It's HIGHLY unlikely we're going to change any minds on this one. So can't we just drop it?
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "So can't we just drop it?" Okay, so let's drop all the praise for him as well.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "The victims were not proven to be less than credible, the parents of one of the victims was." What about the victim from the 2005 trial who claimed MJ molested him on two occasions, yet told school administrators that he had not? Which version of his story was the truth? I could go on, but what's the point? People are going to believe whatever they want to believe.
Originally Posted By LPFan22 Out of respect, the late Michael Jackson deserves all the praises the world is giving him.
Originally Posted By mele Here's the thing...I will never know whether he was guilty or not but I do know what effect he had on other people. His music was apart of people's lives, they are entitled to talk about those things as they are very real experiences that they have first hand knowledge about. I don't see why we can't all have our opinions and state them w/o people being offended either way. Calling people names and vaguely threatening them for voicing their opinions is juvenile.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Okay, so let's drop all the praise for him as well." You enjoy instigating, don't you?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Any guessing on where the body ended up?" He's still not buried yet. The family paid for the casket, very, very grudgingly (it's bronze, not gold, but it has gold handles and Forest Lawn can't remember the last time they sold one like this) but they are still steadfast on being comped for the plot and/or mausoleum. Right now, he's in storage again. There is some truth to the Neverland rumor but Santa Barbara County stillsays no flippin' way and quit asking them.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "He's not a pedophile. You better watch your mouth dufus" Oh brother. I know he's one. I've stated my reasons. And how anyone can say there's no evidence when he admitted to sleeping with young boys, denial ain't just a river in Egypt. You might not like to believe it, and that's okay, but don't say there's no evidence.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt I would imagine that if they let MJ be buried at Neverland the county would open itself to all kinds of request from other property owners. Also, imagine all the spectators who would want to visit the place.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "It's starting to get a little obscene that he hasn't been buried yet." Our funeral home spy/source check in with us today. A few people won't like what I could say, and I really don't want to rile things up too much further. Let's just say the family is split right now, and neither faction has a grasp on reality. If you guessed the casket was empty at Staples, you might be right.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "I would imagine that if they let MJ be buried at Neverland the county would open itself to all kinds of request from other property owners. Also, imagine all the spectators who would want to visit the place." Never been there, obviously have no desire. Apparently it's very rural as you get towards it, with a two lane road, etc. Long time ago I alluded to the fact they didn't consider him a good neighbor, and part of that was due to the steady stream of fans that would always go by the place. It's only intensified since his death. The area simply isn't equipped to handle the inevitable traffic. Santa Barbara County simply doesn't want the hassle that would come with making that place Graceland West.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "I don't see why we can't all have our opinions and state them w/o people being offended either way." I agree 100%. No one was telling anybody to shut up about how much Michael Jackson touched their lives, but the people who want to talk about how much Michael Jackson wanted to touch little boys are being told to "drop it." The owner of the site has the final say over what gets posted here, but I would certainly hope that all opinions would be protected, even by private parties.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "You might not like to believe it, and that's okay, but don't say there's no evidence." I personally have no trouble believing it since given MJ's oddities it seems very possible. The trouble is though, after 14 weeks of testimony from over 100 witnesses, a jury couldn't find him guilty in 2005. Seems to me that his acquittal and the subsequent revelations that the boy's mother was shifty (she's best remembered for claiming in court that the Jackson family wanted to kidnap her family with a hot air balloon), not to mention the findings of a noted psychologist, should have put the pedophile accusations to rest.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "If you guessed the casket was empty at Staples, you might be right." Funny, I thought about that while I was watching. It would hardly surprise me if it was.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones No matter what the outcome of the trial was, people would have, and do, continue to talk about his private life. With the good comes the bad. With the praise comes the criticism. In real life I've done good things and bad, and I've been praised and criticized for them. I would not want criticisms about Michael Jackson squashed any more than criticisms about myself. Of course, I have far less fans and detractors to praise and criticize me than Michael Jackson. I think the cat is the only one, but only because my musical performance with the can opener is so appealing. But the point is that either everybody should shut up or nobody should shut up. Ignore discussion you don't wish to participate in and embrace the ones you do. If you truly believe some people are trolls, simply ignore them, or me. Isn't that's what they always say? Yet nobody does it.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt But you aren't talking about the trial. You're saying that he was a pedophile as if you have some kind of factual information to support that. It's your opinion, and that's fine. Now, can we get back to this burial business? It's way more interesting...
