Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "If he did that is between him and God at this point." It's between him, God and anybody with a thought and a mouth to speak it.
Originally Posted By Sara Tonin Can he be charged at this point...no, will it change anything to debate it...no. We've all aired our views and there's nothing new to add.
Originally Posted By gadzuux SPP - will you let us know when Michael is finally buried? This is practically scandalous that his remains are still being shuffled around.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt >>Well, FWIW, the body was definitely not in the casket at the service. It is NOT at Forest Lawn Hollywood Hills, but at another location. Joe Jackson does not want to bury the body until the autopsy results are in.<< I have a hard time believing that Joe Jackson, and the rest of the Jackson clan are fine with letting MJ's body be held indefinitely as your informant says. How long does an autopsy take? What about his kids and MJ's mother? I would think that they'd all be anxious to see MJ's body buried in an expedient manner. Thus, I have to wonder if your contact isn't being purposely misled. To believe that his casket was empty at the memorial opens up all kinds of speculation about the validity of what anyone is saying about the whereabouts of his body is what has been done with it.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "SPP - will you let us know when Michael is finally buried? This is practically scandalous that his remains are still being shuffled around." Sure. I know exactly where he is, but I'm not going to divulge that, because I don't want to cost people their jobs. He's in a place where he can be kept for an indefinite period of time. He's really not "viewable" anymore, but that's not an issue since they've had the services. As I said earlier, Joe Jackson wants to wait for the second autopsy results for whatever reason. Concurrently, they are also still trying to get him buried at Neverland, which as I've also said repeatedly and so has the press, Santa Barbara wants no part of that. Apparently where Joe Jackson wants to make his money off of all this is burying him at Neverland and turning it into Graceland West. There's another thread in another section about that, and the press has also covered it, so there no point in rehashing the pros and cons of that here. But you're right, the whole thing is just disgusting at this stage and keeps getting more so.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "I have a hard time believing that Joe Jackson, and the rest of the Jackson clan are fine with letting MJ's body be held indefinitely as your informant says." Can't help you there. You either believe it or you don't. "How long does an autopsy take?" Results can sometimes take 6-8 weeks. "What about his kids and MJ's mother? I would think that they'd all be anxious to see MJ's body buried in an expedient manner." The kids have no say. As for the mother, I don't know what she thinks. The father is behind this. "Thus, I have to wonder if your contact isn't being purposely misled." Not a chance. "To believe that his casket was empty at the memorial opens up all kinds of speculation about the validity of what anyone is saying about the whereabouts of his body is what has been done with it." Well, exactly. No one has got it right in the press about the body's whereabouts, not even the vaunted TMZ. Had it been in the casket, they would have had to bury it pretty quickly, because it would have been out of the cooler. They could have packed it in dry ice, but as I've alluded to already, because of rudimentary first embalming, dry ice might not have helped to preserve the body. Because of a lack of a final destination for it, it had to stay in a deep freeze.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Concurrently, they are also still trying to get him buried at Neverland, which as I've also said repeatedly and so has the press, Santa Barbara wants no part of that." Actually, it isn't Santa Barbara County; it's a California State law that bodies can only be buried at a licensed cemetery. Local governments have jurisdiction over cemeteries, but the State decides what constitutes a cemetery and what doesn't. Again, not picking at you personally, but some of this stuff sounds a bit hard to believe and the stories about Joe Jackson, as crazy as he is, sound exaggerated.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Apparently where Joe Jackson wants to make his money off of all this is burying him at Neverland and turning it into Graceland West." But how can he even dream of that since he has no control over MJ's estate? If what you say is true then it further underscores his irrelevance and complete detachment from reality, which of course means that we should give no credence to anything he says....
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "But how can he even dream of that since he has no control over MJ's estate? If what you say is true then it further underscores his irrelevance and complete detachment from reality, which of course means that we should give no credence to anything he says...." Hans, I know you don't like what I've written, but I've no reason to exaggerate anything here. I've never represented what has been happening makes any sense, and you're trying to make sense out of it. It is what it is. Santa Barbara County does not want Neverland turned into Graceland West. That goes hand in hand with burying him there. No grave to gawk at, no main attraction. SB County does not want to do that to its citizens. As for your problem with Joe Jackson, I can only say it so many times. He's relevant right now. He's hugely relevant. Forest Lawn asked him to leave at one point, he was getting so obnoxious. Having control over the estate and over this stuff are two different things. As I said before, Forest Lawn wants the money up front. The estate is in probate right now, and it isn't writing any checks for anything. Given the bad press over Jackson's massive debt, Forest Lawn doesn't want to wait in line to be paid once the estate starts settling account s because there may be no money to pay them. Hence, Joe Jackson's involvement. He's playing hardball, and there's no one in that family, even now, who will stand up to him.
Originally Posted By mele Can't Janet cut Forest Lawn a check? Geez, it's disgusting that he hasn't been buried yet. Imagine what it was like being alive in that family.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Can't Janet cut Forest Lawn a check?" Good question. That she just doesn't do that should tell people the family is all screwed up over this.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt “Hans, I know you don't like what I've written, but I've no reason to exaggerate anything here. I've never represented what has been happening makes any sense, and you're trying to make sense out of it. It is what it is.” Fair enough. For the record, I have no real opinion of what you have written, but rather I’m trying to extrapolate the truth from all of the various reports flying around, including yours. I admit to being intrigued by the elusiveness and bizarreness of it all. However, in my gut, I think it is all probably far less salacious than it might seem. “Santa Barbara County does not want Neverland turned into Graceland West. That goes hand in hand with burying him there. No grave to gawk at, no main attraction. SB County does not want to do that to its citizens.” And I don’t blame them. However, even if the county did want Michael Jackson buried there State law would trump that. So, claiming that Joe Jackson is instating that MJ be buried there seems like a stretch to me since he would have to go against the state to do so. Of course this man is about as untrustworthy as they get, so who knows? In any case, since he has no control over MJ’s estate, I am having a hard time believing that he has any sway over him being buried at specifically at Neverland Ranch. “Having control over the estate and over this stuff are two different things.” Well yes, but I was speaking about burial at Neverland. I assume that any activity that takes place there is now in the hands of the estate attorneys, which would preclude any wishes that Joe Jackson has to turn Neverland Ranch into Graceland west as you described.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "I assume that any activity that takes place there is now in the hands of the estate attorneys, which would preclude any wishes that Joe Jackson has to turn Neverland Ranch into Graceland west as you described." I wouldn't assume that.
Originally Posted By RockyMtnMinnie >>>Given the bad press over Jackson's massive debt, Forest Lawn doesn't want to wait in line to be paid once the estate starts settling account s because there may be no money to pay them.<<< And we wouldn't want to see him evicted.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Just read the will again because I wanted to confirm something. The will says nothing about where he is to be buried, so the executors of the estate have no control over that. That's likely why old Joe is center stage on that issue. Also, local Santa Barbara officials would have to give permission to bury Jackson on private property such as Neverland. If that was granted, then they apply to the state cemetery association. They'll never get past the local land use people to reach the state.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Can't Janet cut Forest Lawn a check?" I don't believe that money is really the issue here, since, as you suggest, Janet probably has enough money to bury MJ. The problem (I'm guessing) is that the power of attorney for burial lies in the hands of MJ's parents because he didn't have a spouse or name one in his will. Most likely the squabbling that SPPH describes is happening primarily between Katherine and Joe Jackson, who are known to have a tumultuous relationship. Janet may have weighed in with her $0.02, but that may be all that she can do until a decision was made on where MJ's final resting place will be. "I wouldn't assume that." Well why not?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder >"I wouldn't assume that." Well why not?< For one thing, if memory serves, Jackson wasn't majority owner anymore or at the least he had a partner. I know someone else now has stake in Neverland, as whoever that was rescued the place from foreclosure. And also if memory serves that person wants to subdivide it and develop it.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neverland_Ranch" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N...nd_Ranch</a> A billionaire named Tom Barrack bought the loan.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt >>A billionaire named Tom Barrack bought the loan.<< Fine. So I will now go back to my statement regarding Joe Jackson and MJ's burial at Neverland Ranch, which was, "In any case, since he [Joe] has no control over MJ’s estate, I am having a hard time believing that he has any sway over him being buried at specifically at Neverland Ranch".
