Originally Posted By Kira I really feel resentment towards that comment spokker. This is something that has never happened to me before in all the years I've been a member on LP. It doesn't matter if his fans knew him personally or not. Maybe these people have been moved at one time or another in life by his art. But you won't ever know that because you aren't them and you aren't feeling the pain they feel. Here's a nice example for you and every word of it is the truth. I went to camp once when I was younger and it was a girl scout sleep under the stars camp. One of my fellow campers woke up SCREAMING and crying and hysterical sometime after midnight. Now this girl was mentally handicapped, but she was just as subject to home sickness as any other girl at that camp. At first all of us were very annoyed that she not only had woken everyone else, but she was completely hysterical and would not stop crying. Everyone was trying to console her and get her to stop crying and the girl begged us all to sing Michael Jackson's Heal the World. Only 2 other girls and I knew ALL the words, everyone else only knew the chorus. So we sang Heal the World over and over. We must have sung it at least 6 or 7 times, but the girl FINALLY laid down, smiled at all of us standing around her said "Thank You" and fell asleep. Music has a very deep connection with anybody and I think a connection to the musical artist comes with that. Just because YOU may not connect with that song or that artist does NOT mean that other's don't. It certainly does not make them mentally ill as you suggest either.
Originally Posted By Mr F Well, now the King of Pop is a dead corpse, just like in his Thriller Video, how ironic.
Originally Posted By ecdc Yes. How classy. I was never a big Michael Jackson fan. But I certainly recognize how much he changed the face of pop music. He was remarkable.
Originally Posted By mele I don't understand the need to make people feel badly about mourning Michael. What's the point?
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "Would you say the same thing about MLK when he died and masses of people turned out to mourn?" MLK has done considerably more for the world than Michael Jackson. MLK could have slept in the bed with young boys and I would sing his praises.
Originally Posted By Sara Tonin Small minded, cruel morons...no empathy/sympathy when they see their fellow humans morning the loss of their brother and son. There is no point...just a hopelessly immature personality.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "I really feel resentment towards that comment spokker. This is something that has never happened to me before in all the years I've been a member on LP. " People have problems with Michael Jackson. Why is that so hard to deal with? He had complete control of what he said in an interview with Martin Bashir that he believed was going to repair his image. He only made people more creeped out. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO9-maLGvXo&feature=PlayList&p=D90D293A97FB3B7D&index=8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...&index=8</a> Go to 3:45 and understand why people are saying what they are saying about him and his insane followers. It's cult-like. It'd be like trying to deny that Walt Disney never did anything bad in his life.
Originally Posted By Kira I understand ENTIRELY why people are saying what their saying about Michael. I watched every second of that interview when it first aired and again when it was analyzed through the media for weeks following. I am on the fence about what he did or didn't do in his life, but I am not on this earth to judge. The issue I have with what you said is that you made it very personal to FANS of this man, not the man himself. Fans that could very well be your own friends and family. We ARE all human after all. The point I'm trying to make is that just because fans are mourning someone that you don't approve of is NO reason to say that they should seek medical help. But I'm not about to get in a spat over this on LP. I hope that all the family, friends and FANS of Michael Jackson are able to find peace and I hope the MJ is at rest far away from the media circus that was his life. Like him or not, the guy is a legend and will always be a legend.
Originally Posted By dshyates Micheal was an extrodinary talent that was exploited and abused from the age ten. Some people don't have the ability to see past the headlines. And while I was never a "fan". I have always had respect and awe of his abilities. I just hope that he is at peace now. And thank you for your gifts to those able to see them. And to those that can't, have at him. You can't deminish the obvious.
Originally Posted By Sara Tonin Back to the Martin Bashir interview, I think it clearly showed that Michael Jackson was not an emotionally well person. So, I don't know what he did or didnt do. But I often wonder about the parents of the kids he allegedly molestated...I think if they knew he did it they would have pushed for a conviction and then have still gotten the cash in a civil suit.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "But I often wonder about the parents of the kids he allegedly molestated" They were scum. It's perfectly possible that these two things are true. 1. Michael Jackson is a pedophile. 2. Michael Jackson did not molest any kids. He had an "artistic" book of naked young boys. <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/12/17/court.archive.jackson10/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law...dex.html</a> "The defense wanted to call librarian Mary Minow to analyze the singer's book shelves and testify about the artistic merits of such books as "Boys Will Be Boys" and "The Boy: A Photographic Essay." But prosecutors argued that if Minow was in, then former FBI Special Agent Ken Lanning, who specializes in pedophile profiling, should be allowed to testify that Jackson's reading materials, some of which was seized during a search by police (pictured), could also be used to arouse young boys. Both sides agreed to pull their witnesses." <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7681758/" target="_blank">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7681758/</a> "The jury also was shown the cover of a book called “The Boy: A Photographic Essay.” It also contained an inscription that said: “To Michael from your (heart symbol) fan, XXXOOO, ’Rhonda.”’ The note was dated 1983. Smith said both books featured boys “playing, swimming, jumping.” Prosecutor Ron Zonen said earlier that one book was about 90 percent pictures of nude boys and the other about 10 percent." He definitely had an adult sex drive as he had plenty of adult pornography.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost I don't mind people mourning the loss of an icon of music but, for heavens sake the man should not be made into a saint. He had some disgusting elements of his life style. Feel bad that we lost a music king but please don't make him a hero. Save that for people that have earned it.
Originally Posted By Mr X <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0mcxmCGetI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...cxmCGetI</a>
Originally Posted By Mr X ***for heavens sake the man should not be made into a saint*** I don't think anyone is doing that. You seem to be going the opposite way though. Many people have said he was eccentric. I'll take it one step further...he was insane. No question. I don't *think* he did those criminal acts, but I can't say for sure. But he was definitely nuts. Still, I can manage to separate the art from the artist on this one.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Most geniouses are mad - Einstein, Mozart, EA Poe, Van Gough, Ben Franklin etc.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Whatever happened to "class"? Plenty examples of "no class" here in this thread.
Originally Posted By DAR Nothing Jackson did while alive is going to touch the show that is going to be the custody and estate battle.
Originally Posted By danyoung >They don't need a place to mourn, they need a place to seek mental help. Michael Jackson is an entertainer, not a family member, not a friend.< Spokker, I'm kinda on the fence about this. I've never been able to understand that level of hero worship bestowed upon an entertainer or politician. It's sad when someone who meant a lot to you dies, but as you said, I didnt' know him, he's not a member of my family. But on the other hand, people react to things differently. Many people were totally shaken to the core by the death of Princess Di, while I really knew nothing about her and couldn't care less. But I didn't for a moment want to diminish the intense feelings of others. So while I look at a picture of fans gathered around a Michael Jackson star (even though it's the wrong star), I would never stoop to calling them mentally challenged. The world has suffered a loss, and some people feel it more than others. Give 'em their space.
Originally Posted By danyoung >Well, now the King of Pop is a dead corpse, just like in his Thriller Video, how ironic.< And this is just an incredibly cheap, moronic statement. There is nothing intelligent or clever about this, Mr F. A person who meant a lot to a lot of people had died, and you're contributing nothing but a cheap shot. I know he had a lot of troubles, and perhaps "mentally unbalanced" isn't so far off the mark. But he was an amazing musical talent, and his music and his performances were very important to many. To talk about him being a dead corpse is just rude, thoughtless, and infantile.
