Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Fair points Kiz, and some of my negative emotions around this is about the slippage in service standards all all around. I want Disney to hold a different ethos. One that shows the crowd that quality will win out. Also, I think this debate has taken place because it is James's thread. Me took it easy on another newby who asked whether to go halloween or christmas. Sorry James. Maybe this is indeed for another thread. But frankly I feel like Disney websites are a waste of time. It makes no difference ruffles a lot of feathers, and maybe I would be better off without. Thing is, my passion and want to know what is going on, coupled with my friendships suck me back every time.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Why is it mean spirited to debate. What the hell is wrong with this world? Why is it wrong to debate, have an opinion, voice an opinion? Frankly I have had enough. It is too hard to cope? Why bother living? What is the point of it all? We were give a brain, a voicebox, and fingers. God forbid we use them. Maybe I need to be like everyone else, watch tv, get drunk, and one day never wae up again.
Originally Posted By u k fan Ok, I think I might just step away from this now, but I wanted to clarify that I did not say that debate, on this or any other subject is mean spirited, but that on this particular thread where a poster came here looking for tips and info and is clearly excited it is mean spirited for people to change the subject of the topic (though related) to something so negative and prevocative. As you said this is kind of Ok on a thread started by a regular, but to a new LPer this could be the first and last time they participate. I've certainly seen that in the past!!!
Originally Posted By 999HAUNTS Wow Dave, you are on a roll today! Buying a grocery bag sucks. I agree. But you have a choice there - just as you have a choice not to participate in buying an extra event ticket at WDW. I'm also going to bow out and agree to disagree. All I was trying to point out is that since we don't live in Florida, we enjoy going to a Christmas themed arena no matter what it cost us. We can always choose not to participate. Malin, Please write a trip report after you've visited MVMCP. I'd love to hear your take on it!
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo sorry folks, sucky day, and this is something really unimportant I feel very passionate about.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I love you too Trish. I am really sorry if I annoyed anyone with this one, especially you James.
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains Umm so I was still wanting to know if they limited the number of tickets they sell - like they do in DCA for the halloween events... To me that is a huge draw that the parks aren't totally packed for these special events...
Originally Posted By 999HAUNTS Gotta, I do know that the events sell out, so there has to be a number cap. I'm just not sure what that number is.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Gush. What a great word.>> Thanks. I love that word. I'm a bit of a wordsmith ... I like using as many of 'em as I can. <<I appreciate your opinion, but I can't help but wonder what happened to you for you to be so bitter about WDW. >> Happened to me? Life and experience happened to me. But I am NOT bitter about WDW. I love the place (can anyone gimme a count as to how many times I've had to utter that phrase to defend myself?). I do NOT love the way WDW has been run over the past decade-plus. I do NOT love WDW's 'leadership' team. I do NOT love WDW charging more and giving less and then hearing fans defend those type of moves. I do NOT love WDW holding Christmas hostage, which is exactly what it now does. And I don't consider myself 'bitter' about those things, just passionate. Passion is a good thing. It lets you know you're alive. <<I don't really follow the WDW threads as often as most, but the few threads I've seen you start or participate in are so negative. I might be wrong, though, so forgive me if I am.>> I'll forgive you. But, frankly, I believe if you're going to 'attack' the messenger instead of the message, you should at least be informed of who it is you're attacking (and that is too harsh a term, but I can't think of one right now ... too much slushie) and what their viewpoint, perspective, agenda etc ... is. <<Just don't go, but don't ruin the vibe for those of us who travel a long way to participate.>> Hey, I've gone twice in 10 years and didn't pay either time. But please don't accuse me of ruining anyone's vibe. If I can truly ruin someone's time with a post here, I would suggest the person reading really has some serious problems and should consult a mental health professional. I am a stranger here, except to a chosen few who are friends, and my opinion should be treated just as such. If I am really that powerful, please send me a check! <<Who cares how much it costs. We aren't pod people, and can make our own decisions whether or not to buy a ticket. People will stop going when it gets way out of hand. >> I care how much it costs. I care that Disney is now charging more for admission but offering less. I care that Disney now demands an extra $50 a person if I am to get to enjoy Christmas at the MK (just try that in Anaheim, Paris or Tokyo). I care that it is blatant gouging of the consumer, while trying to make those people feel special ...that they're attending a 'private party' (as someone who has been to many private parties at the MK and other Disney parks, trust me when I say they are nothing like MVMCP!) I don't know when people will stop going. My guess is never. Because sites like this have far more folks than myself who are willing to GUSH about how great an event they are, I can only see them becoming more prevalent. Maybe in 2009 the first one will be Nov. 1st (right after the last Halloween Party the night before). I don't like the event or what it represents and as long as there are threads about it, I'm going to state my case for staying away.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Seems a bit mean spirited to me (no pun intended). Thank God he's not a newbie!!!>> I'm not mean-spirited in the least. I'm honest, forthright and blunt. And I don't believe anyone should take anything I say as 'the gospel' (even when it is. People need to think for themselves. Why can't they do that anymore?
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Why is it mean spirited to debate. What the hell is wrong with this world? Why is it wrong to debate, have an opinion, voice an opinion? Frankly I have had enough. It is too hard to cope? Why bother living? What is the point of it all? We were give a brain, a voicebox, and fingers. God forbid we use them. Maybe I need to be like everyone else, watch tv, get drunk, and one day never wae up again.>> I love ya man! You just (again) pretty much said everything I was thinking when reading this thread. People take some of this way too seriously. And some just have no self esteem too!
Originally Posted By sharon2 ^^^I've noticed that the DL side is not as serious as this side but, this side is more informative!!
Originally Posted By u k fan I agree with 999... Wow! <<<<Why is it mean spirited to debate. What the hell is wrong with this world? Why is it wrong to debate, have an opinion, voice an opinion? Frankly I have had enough. It is too hard to cope? Why bother living? What is the point of it all? We were give a brain, a voicebox, and fingers. God forbid we use them. Maybe I need to be like everyone else, watch tv, get drunk, and one day never wae up again.>> I love ya man! You just (again) pretty much said everything I was thinking when reading this thread. People take some of this way too seriously. And some just have no self esteem too!>> I genuinely can't believe that Dave's post (above) is being used as an argument against people taking this too seriously or having no self esteem. I know Dave well. I really like Dave and for that very reason I'm not going to comment further!!!
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains Wow - I guess you guys have really made OP feel good about buying those ticket - and they were so excited about it... I can't wait to buy mine for my first trip to WDW... I will just remember not to mention it here!! Malin I hope you really enjoy it and will post a wonderful trip report!
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I've noticed that the DL side is not as serious as this side but, this side is more informative!!>> We try ... we try ...
