Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I genuinely can't believe that Dave's post (above) is being used as an argument against people taking this too seriously or having no self esteem.>> Why? Apparently, some folks don't understand why everyone doesn't love all the hard ticket events at the MK, and seem to believe those comments shouldn't be mentioned on a thread like this as it may somehow 'influence' someone else to not go or not enjoy themselves. I believe Dave was just commenting on the absurdity of people being so negative about debate because some people (weak-minded IMHO) might be offended. <<I know Dave well. I really like Dave and for that very reason I'm not going to comment further!!!>> I know Dave as well. I really like Dave as well ... but I'll keep commenting so long as there is something I feel worth commenting about.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub Actually Disney is introducing the concept of paying for a holiday event at DCA with Halloween. Eventually DL might have to charge to control crowds at the Holiday festivities.The amount of "cast" required to work during these special ticket events is extremely large.Also WDW has many more hotels feeding into the crowd capacity. Perhaps this is one way to control attendance and problems we are unaware of.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Wow - I guess you guys have really made OP feel good about buying those ticket - and they were so excited about it... >> Malin seems like a highly intelligent spirit. I sincerely doubt anyone here made him feel anything different about going. FWIW, I hope he has a wonderful time at MVMCP ... however, that isn't mutually exclusive to the fact I wish the parties either didn't exist or didn't mean everyone has to pay extra for Christmas.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Perhaps this is one way to control attendance and problems we are unaware of.>> No, it's all about the money.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 I am not a DOM, but some of you act like Disney has a monopoly on it. Am I the only one who doesn't like "press 1 for English" Press 3 for... press this, press that, and then sitting for what seems forever listening to "Your call is important to us" then when a real live person comes on, their accent is so difficult to understand. So please do keep pointing out shortcomings and stupidity, but don't try to make someone feel guilty because they like something you don't. I was afraid that on my last trip all I would be looking at was overflowing baskets, pealing paint, gum etc, and missing the flowers, the changes to the HM. But you know, yes I did see trash on the ground in a couple places, but the baskets weren't full, people are pigs, they just throw stuff on the ground. And women are the worst, I swear at least 75% of them tinkled on the toilet seat and left it there. If I knew where they lived............
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo So many thoughts, so little time... Yst, I think the DL section is more light hearted because there is more right in DL's management and experience than wrong. In my field, if I allow someone t let the little things slip, someone's life is ruined or they die. I suppose that although Disney is not as important, because I love the parks, I have the same passion. I get angry at social workers, civil servants and politicans that allow things to slip. I also get angry at Disney management and fans who do likewise. At DL, while not perfect, seems to have less problems. Hence a lighter board. Aso more people are local, so they allow more critique and are not that upset if they have 1 bad experience. For most on the WDW boards, we have long journies collectively, and it is a more expensive experience. SO some people are dazzled by the scale and may not notice the little things, others do and are offended at wdw taking advantage.
Originally Posted By Malin Wow I didn't think posting this topic would create such a response. First things first I have no problem with either Dave or Spirit voicing there views, the way I see it if your after a postitve outlook on WDW all the time visit the DisBoards. Thats not to say we should always look at the park in such a negative way either, as there are many people for who a trip to WDW is a once in a life time trip and I think we should not forget that when some visit annually or are in a position too, and some who are fortunate to only live a few miles away. If we like the way WDW is operated or not, we should still apreciate having the option to visit so often, and shouldn't take that for granted, even if the standards have dropped. Thanks to users like 999 and UKFan who have gone out to defend this thread and get it back on topic. Despite the negative feedback to this I am still excited to be going and nothing said in this thread has put me of going. You may be able to get Christmas events for free at the other Parks and Resorts but the standards are not so great. So I have no problem spending a bit extra to enjoy a stunning fireworks display, Christmas stage shows and a parade. If you can name me another Resort that is offering what Mickey's Very Merry Christmas Party is offering on either 16th or 21st for the same standard but free, I would be glad to cancel my trip.
Originally Posted By Malin By the way thats the 16th and 20th of November, not the 21st, as I'll be attending a showing of Cirque du Soleil at Downtown Disney.
Originally Posted By 999HAUNTS <So please do keep pointing out shortcomings and stupidity, but don't try to make someone feel guilty because they like something you don't.> Exactly my feelings. Thank you. It's really hurtful to be made to feel like a spec of dust when you are only trying to voice an opinion. <Thanks to users like 999 and UKFan who have gone out to defend this thread and get it back on topic. > You are quite welcome. I wasn't kidding about the trip report. I would really like to hear your take on it all.
Originally Posted By Malin <<< Cool Cirque is awesome. I love La Nouba!!!! >>> This is actually something I have never seen before, but the word of mouth has always been good and I look forward to checking it out. Also have tickets for the Blue Man Group who I know are fantastic as I've watched them twice in Vegas before. <<< You are quite welcome. I wasn't kidding about the trip report. I would really like to hear your take on it all. >>> I will be more than happy to submit a trip report. I will be also attending DLRP Christmas event and may write a comparison piece on the differences between both events.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Exactly my feelings. Thank you. It's really hurtful to be made to feel like a spec of dust when you are only trying to voice an opinion. >> At the risk of sounding like Dr. Phil (a whacko in my opinion, although very nice in person), you choose how you're going to feel. I have NEVER attempted to make anyone feel like a spec of dust for voicing their opinions, and I feel very safe in speaking for Dave because I know he isn't that type of person either. Folks need to understand when someone is attacking an opinion, they aren't attacking the person's humanity. It really gets old when people can't seperate the two. You can think someone's idea is idiotic without thinking the person is an idiot.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<< Cool Cirque is awesome. I love La Nouba!!!! >>> <<This is actually something I have never seen before, but the word of mouth has always been good and I look forward to checking it out.>> La Nouba is amazing. Great show. Seen it four times now. But I like all the Cirque shows. Best I've seen is Love at the Mirage in Las Vegas. I also really liked Mystere too. <<Also have tickets for the Blue Man Group who I know are fantastic as I've watched them twice in Vegas before.>> I'm afraid to state how much I hate Blue Man and don't get why folks like them, but I'll just shut my yap and say 'enjoy the show!' <<< You are quite welcome. I wasn't kidding about the trip report. I would really like to hear your take on it all. >>> <<I will be more than happy to submit a trip report. I will be also attending DLRP Christmas event and may write a comparison piece on the differences between both events.>> I'd enjoy that ... I'm actually toying with a December visit to DLP. All my visits to DLP have been in April, May or June and I'd like to see some of the seasonal things I haven't. Maybe I can get Dave and yourself to meet me!
Originally Posted By Malin <<< La Nouba is amazing. Great show. Seen it four times now. But I like all the Cirque shows. Best I've seen is Love at the Mirage in Las Vegas. I also really liked Mystere too. >>> I've not had a chance to make it out to Vegas since Love opened, and may not do either, as I'm kind of put of by the direction that city is going in. I think in the future Macau, providing it becomes a suscess is going to be my destination for gambling and Vegas style entertainment. Very interested in seeing how Macau's ZAIA and Tokyo's ZED turn out. <<< I'm afraid to state how much I hate Blue Man and don't get why folks like them, but I'll just shut my yap and say 'enjoy the show!' >>> No need to be afraid to state you don't like it Spirit as I can understand it not being a show for everyone. I've seen the Vegas show twice now and have really enjoyed it. <<< I'd enjoy that ... I'm actually toying with a December visit to DLP. All my visits to DLP have been in April, May or June and I'd like to see some of the seasonal things I haven't. Maybe I can get Dave and yourself to meet me! >>> Sounds good but we'll have to see if our dates match up. I too have never visited Paris during this time of year, so I'm very keen to see how it turns out. I caught a clip of the Enchanted Candlebration and was very impressed by the lighting involved.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I've not had a chance to make it out to Vegas since Love opened, and may not do either, as I'm kind of put of by the direction that city is going in. I think in the future Macau, providing it becomes a suscess is going to be my destination for gambling and Vegas style entertainment. Very interested in seeing how Macau's ZAIA and Tokyo's ZED turn out.>> I'm toying with trying to fit Macau in with my Hong Kong, Shanghai, Tokyo trip later this fall. I'd like to see it. Kind of like an all-new Vegas strip in a different place. Probably won't do it this time. I agree about the direction Vegas is taking and I haven't been since early last year. Love was definitely the highlight as well as dinner at the Voodoo Cafe at the RIO. <<< I'm afraid to state how much I hate Blue Man and don't get why folks like them, but I'll just shut my yap and say 'enjoy the show!' >>> <<No need to be afraid to state you don't like it Spirit as I can understand it not being a show for everyone. I've seen the Vegas show twice now and have really enjoyed it.>> I saw them just once in Vegas at the Luxor in 2004 and was very, very underwhelmed. I guess they are an acquired taste, like sushi, and I don't like it! ;-) <<< I'd enjoy that ... I'm actually toying with a December visit to DLP. All my visits to DLP have been in April, May or June and I'd like to see some of the seasonal things I haven't. Maybe I can get Dave and yourself to meet me! >>> <<Sounds good but we'll have to see if our dates match up. I too have never visited Paris during this time of year, so I'm very keen to see how it turns out. I caught a clip of the Enchanted Candlebration and was very impressed by the lighting involved. >> Yeah. I have never seen DLP at night (hotels and Village, but not the park) because of the time of year when I've gone. When the place closes at 7 and the sun is out until 9:30 it makes it tough!
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <<<Also have tickets for the Blue Man Group who I know are fantastic as I've watched them twice in Vegas before.>> I'm afraid to state how much I hate Blue Man and don't get why folks like them, but I'll just shut my yap and say 'enjoy the show!' Was here is Chicago forever - finally went to seeif after many people toldme how great it was.It would have been a very good 20 minute show - after that, I was bored out of my gourd ! Glad to see someone else thought so too ! Now I don't care for Cirque though either - just not my style ( too clown like / mimey for my tastes ) - although I do think the Love show would be worth a look see.
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey I personally have the itch to take a trip to New York for the weekend during Thanksgiving break. I haven't seen a Broadway musical since Katrina (the Saenger is still shut down here, almost three years later) and I would really enjoy seeing Avenue Q. I've only visited New York once, and that was when I was 8.
Originally Posted By Anatole69 "I'm toying with trying to fit Macau in with my Hong Kong, Shanghai, Tokyo trip later this fall. I'd like to see it. Kind of like an all-new Vegas strip in a different place. Probably won't do it this time." I made that exact same trip last year, and Macau was one of the highlights. I liked it even more than Hong Kong, and more than Shanghai... though my day trip to Suzhou was up there as well. I'm not sure how much time you will have in HK, but I highly recommend adding an extra day to go to Macau. - Anatole
Originally Posted By Malin If you get the chance a trip to Macau is certainly worth seeing, although with so much construction work happening it may be worth seeing another time if your short on time in Hong Kong. If you've been to Vegas, than nothing in Macau is going to look impressive at this time. Macau is very much like how people view Hong Kong Disneyland.
Originally Posted By Malin <<< Yeah. I have never seen DLP at night (hotels and Village, but not the park) because of the time of year when I've gone. When the place closes at 7 and the sun is out until 9:30 it makes it tough! >>> I know that feeling, I visited in Febuary and Candlebration is like a completely differnt show when its set at night. I'm hoping Fantaillusion will also be performing as I have never seen this light parade before due to usually skipping peak seasons. The Studios believe it or not is also quite nice when the sun goes down.
