Originally Posted By RoadTrip My life just got a whole lot more fun. How was I to know that every time my wife wore red lipstick she really wanted sex?? I'll be back to LP in a week or so... ;-)
Originally Posted By barboy Ok jdub what do big red lips signify? Traditionally and generally when women, not men, accentuate their lips with red lipstick what is the underlying idea?
Originally Posted By dshyates "Traditionally and generally when women, not men, accentuate their lips with red lipstick what is the underlying idea?" To be pretty? I'm pretty sure its not to make their lips look like a baboon butt. The next time your wife puts on lipstick tell her her face is sexy like a baboon butt. See how quick you get laid.
Originally Posted By utahjosh No one should be asking a 15 yr old girl to take her shirt off for a picture. Period.
Originally Posted By barboy "To be pretty" yes, but more to the point, to attract---specifically males. Historically and generally that is fact. dsh, there is a reason why we do not put makeup on 3 year olds. You see it goes, usaully, much deeper than just making one prettier.
Originally Posted By dshyates "Historically and generally that is fact." I am fully aware of this socioanthropological theory. But there are just as many who think the reverse is true. The baboon butt is red because we are attracted to red, not we are attracted to red because of monkey butts. When the trend of pinking up the lips started (in Egypt), it is now tought they did it to look healthy, not to look like a baboon vagina. The baboon theory is more interesting, but borders on Fraudian.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney It's not the amount of skin that she's showing. She is not wearing a bathing suit sitting next to the pool. She is wrapped in a sheet, that with the fact that she is nude underneath makes it look like she's been in bed. 15 year olds don't typically sleep nude, do they? It is not innocent, nor is it meant to be.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Let me preface, I'm a parent to a 13-year old daughter. When I heard about the 'topless' pictures in question, I was ready for anything...When I finally did see them, my reaction was, big deal. My wife had the same reaction. They're pictures. It's dress up. It's about as provocative as girls dressing up at Libby Liu. I don't view Libby Liu or the pictures in Vanity Fair as provocative. What I do think is laughable, is that all the adults here who seem to feel that it's okay for Miley Cyrus to be working in the first place. When Miley's on TV or in the 3-D movie, or touring -- parents love her. She's a role model for their daughters. But hear this. Miley Cyrus, is a 15 year old kid -- a child, and she's a working professional. She goes to work, and collects a paycheck. And somehow that's okay, because she's in Show Business. She's 'having fun.' It all goes back to the parents. And that's what I find so grotesque. The parents who decide to put their kids to work. Billy Ray Cyrus. And the parents of Michael Jackson, Britney Spears, Jodie Foster, Danny Bonaduce, Pamlyn Ferdin, and Paul Pedersen. To name but a few. All those parents had kids. And they put their children to work. And all those child stars are now psychologically wrecked as adults. So, as long as were being crass and talking about baboon's vaginas, let me just state that Billy Ray Cyrus allowing his daughher to 'go to work' in show business is in my mind, the equivalent to pimping her out. Now that's far grosser than a set of photographs.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney I agree with utahjosh. 15 is far too young to be posing without a shirt. It is borderline porn, and it really should be stopped before the magazine reaches the shelf. See, I'm a prude too, but I'm okay with that. I have two little girls of my own. I would be horrified if either were to do something like this.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <And all those child stars are now psychologically wrecked as adults.> Everything I've read has said Jodie Foster is remarkably level-headed. I saw a former child-star show where they all got together and commiserated and it did seem like most of them were and/or are still messed up. But they all said Foster was sort of the role model for "best-case scenario" of child star and never let it get to her. Pamela Ferdin? Now there's a name I haven't seen in a while. She wasn't on this show, but I certainly remember her.
Originally Posted By mele I don't necessarily like to say that kids should or shouldn't be in show business. I definitely thought that Billy Ray was pimping out his daughter at first, but after seeing Miley in concert, there is genuine talent there and you can see she loves what she's doing. And she's famous and rich and all of that stuff, which some people do think is important. I never wanted my kids to be in show business but I'm not completely disgusted by all children being in show business but it isn't something my children wanted. (Well, my 16 year old son wants to be a rock star.)
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <Everything I've read has said Jodie Foster is remarkably level-headed.> Okay. So perhaps Jodie Foster is 'level-headed.' I stand corrected. She's the one out of 750 child stars who 'survived' the industry. My larger point is that parents have no right to put their children to work. If I decided to pull my daughter out of school and put her to work stuffing envelopes and typing letters for my company, it'd be considered illegal. But in the ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY -- it's so FUN! And there's all this MONEY! And whoop-dee-doo! So, no matter how you slice it, Billy Ray Cyrus put Miley Cyrus to work. And in general, the public at large is okay with that. Which I find rather odd.
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Originally Posted By WilliamK99 To put this into perspective, at the age of 12, Brooke Shields actually went topless in a movie. Nowadays people would flip out if a 12 year old went topless in a movie....
Originally Posted By dshyates "Okay. So perhaps Jodie Foster is 'level-headed.' I stand corrected. She's the one out of 750 child stars who 'survived' the industry." Yeah its so sad when child stars flame out as spectacularly as Ron Howard did. What a pity. Seriously though, From what I heard Billy Ray didn't want Miley to be in show business, but from growing up around the industry, and having Dolly as god-mother/role model/ coach it was something she really wanted to do. There is a big differance in "putting your kids to work" and "allowing your kids to work". But that has little to do with the pressures of being a Disney child star. Which I do believe is more difficult than being a regular child star.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney Are you saying that was okay, WK99? Of course it's NOT OKAY for a 12 year old, or ANY girl (under age 18) to be topless in a movie (I know, I guess if it's a baby).
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <I definitely thought that Billy Ray was pimping out his daughter at first, but after seeing Miley in concert, there is genuine talent there and you can see she loves what she's doing.> See the tug of war in your statement? It seems like you're trying to justify Miley Cyrus' place in the industry. Maybe Myley does love what she's doing. Maybe she loves all the attention. She's got a group of people surrounding her and answering her every whim. Maybe she feels pressure to keep all those people gainfully employed. But she's 15. Should she really be making these kinds of decisions at 15? I don't think so. My 13-year old has aspirations of being an actor and singer. And good for her. She can enjoy singing and acting now, and be in the drama club in High School, and study theater in college, and when she's 18 and wants to pursue that dream she can do that. But even when we were in L.A. her mother and I would have never started driving her around to auditions and so forth. No way. In fact, when our daughter was a baby, we were approached by a talent agency. They thought darling daughter was cute, and perfect for commercials. My wife thought about it and said 'no, thanks.' You know what the agents said? 'Oh good. This business is such a mess, and you guys seem like really nice people.' That was from a talent agent. My wife and I know the entertainment industry. It's a business that is hard enough and damaging enough for adults. I'd never let my child get involved in the 'the biz.' We do participate in our local community theater, and it's an enjoyable family activity for us. But that's all volunteer and fun. We're not making a living. Or making our daughter make a living.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney Oh, and your thoughts are interesting, Jim. So I'm picturing every TV show and movie that has a child role being played by adults. Maybe those on the more petite side!! To do away with child actors COMPLETELY would certainly change the entertainment industry in a HUGE way.
