Originally Posted By ecdc >>There is a big differance in "putting your kids to work" and "allowing your kids to work".<< Except children aren't always best equipped to make their own decisions. We don't "allow" our children to drive cars 'til their 16, or get married, etc. I'm not sure how this is much different. BTW, semi-on topic. I was shocked to read about the life of Bobby Driscoll. Talk about a sad, depressing ending. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Driscoll" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B...Driscoll</a>
Originally Posted By DyGDisney People told me constantly that my daughter should be a model as a baby. I agree with you Jim, I was like, "NO WAY!" I don't want that for my kids. My daughter went through the stage where she wanted to be a rock star, now at age 10 she wants to do habitat restoration.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 Are you saying that was okay, WK99? Of course it's NOT OKAY for a 12 year old, or ANY girl (under age 18) to be topless in a movie (I know, I guess if it's a baby).<< I never said it was OK, I just put it out there, what Brooke Shields did was go fully topless, what Miley Cyrus did was show us her back...nothing sexual about it at all...
Originally Posted By DyGDisney I disagree with you, it is sexual. Naked, wrapped in a sheet, even only showing your back has a sexual inuendo. And I'm sorry, but there are a lot of perverts who are going to enjoy that picture far too much!
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Okay Ron Howard. So our list of 'Child Stars Who Aren't Screwed Up As Adults' rises to a whopping 2. <Seriously though, From what I heard Billy Ray didn't want Miley to be in show business, but from growing up around the industry, and having Dolly as god-mother/role model/ coach it was something she really wanted to do. There is a big differance in "putting your kids to work" and "allowing your kids to work".> 'Allowing your kids to work'??? In what other industry is that allowed? As for Billy Ray and Dolly...they could have easily said 'No Miley, you'll have to wait until you're 18.' My daughter got irritated with me a year or so ago [she was 11] because I 'wouldn't make some phone calls' and help her out with her 'career' in the entertainment industry. You can justify it all you want. Parents do. Casting people do. Show Biz icons do. Bottom line -- kids really shouldn't be in show business.
Originally Posted By dshyates "To put this into perspective, at the age of 12, Brooke Shields actually went topless in a movie." Oh yeah, the Blue Lagoon. We are definitly a more conservative and judgemental society now than we were back in 1980. Thank You Ronnie.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Okay Ron Howard. So our list of 'Child Stars Who Aren't Screwed Up As Adults' rises to a whopping 2.<< Dude. Gary Coleman. C'mon. "whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Jim?"
Originally Posted By ecdc In fairness, there are more than two child actors who grew up to be successful. But mind you, they are successful in terms of the entertainment industry. This doesn't translate to success in relationships, or happiness, etc. Furthermore, how many child stars have we lost track of that are drunk in a gutter somewhere? A majority are probably living happy, normal lives. But plenty aren't. Go read that article I linked to for a perfect example of a child star that was forgotten. No one even knew Bobby Driscoll had died until the re-release of Song of the South when reporters went looking for him. Just think about all the TV shows and movies you've seen. Do you know where all the kids are or how they're doing? I sure don't. I'm willing to bet plenty of them aren't doing so hot, long since forgotten by Hollywood.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney dshyates - are you so liberal that you think it's okay for a 12 year old girl to go topless in a movie?? Do you have a daughter?
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains I have no problem with children who have the desire to act to do so - I do have a problem with the amount they do work - How much time to be a kid to these children on tv get to just be a kid? How many hours are they working each day? Movies are different - I don't know why when there are so many children acting these days for some children to make so many movies each year - for example Dakota Fanning - she has 5 movies done this year, 19 movies since 2001 Abigail Breslin - 12 movies since 2004 - 3 this year. Spenser Breslin - 13 movies Elle Fanning - 12 movies - 6 this year... When do the movie kids have time to be kids - Are there not limits? Funny how it was a news event when Dakota was able to fullfill her dream of being a girl scout -
Originally Posted By jasmine7 <<To put this into perspective, at the age of 12, Brooke Shields actually went topless in a movie. Nowadays people would flip out if a 12 year old went topless in a movie....<< Actually, some of them have flipped out over less. A couple of years ago, Dakota Fanning was in a movie called Hounddog where her character was raped. To hear the conservative talkshow hosts like Laura Ingraham, she literally was raped. As for the Miley flap, I'm not real comfortable with the solo pictures, but the one of her and her dad unnerved me even more. It looked like a pose for lovers, not for father & daughter. Maybe if they'd both been smiling, it would have looked different.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Bottom line -- kids really shouldn't be in show business.<< A few kids are able to get through it and go on and have regular lives. Fewer still are able to make the jump from child star to adult actor. But in reality, the odds are about as good that a kid could make it running across 8 lanes of traffic. Some kids will make it. But it's a hell of a risk.
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF >>Oh yeah, the Blue Lagoon.<< Actually, it was "Pretty Baby." And her character was pimped out by her prostitute mother.
Originally Posted By dshyates "dshyates - are you so liberal that you think it's okay for a 12 year old girl to go topless in a movie?? Do you have a daughter?" Yes, I actually have 2 daughters. Inherently I don't have a problem with a 12 year old being topless in a film. I do have a problem with a parent putting a 12 year old topless in a film. As this can irreparably damage her reputation. But the 12 year old can easily be topless without being sexual. There are 12 year old on the beaches topless all over Europe. Would I allow my 12 year old daughter go topless at a beach in Europe? Only if there were other little girls running around topless. And I don't think it matters one iota to the pedophilic perverts that are perving on the little girls at the beach whether they are topless or not.
Originally Posted By dshyates "Actually, it was "Pretty Baby." And her character was pimped out by her prostitute mother." I remember that one. Although I didn't see it. Blue Lagoon was the full rear nudity when she was 15. Sorry I got my Brooke Shields films confused.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Some child actors get messed up. Some go on to be successful adult actors with good lives. Some go on to be normal adults outside of the business and you never hear from them again. As with everything else, there is a range of outcomes. How many kids play basketball for hours and hours while growing up in the hopes that they can become an NBA star? A few of those kids actually are good enough to be starters on their High School basketball team. A few of those may go on to play college basketball. A very few of those will get drafted into the NBA, and an even fewer number will become successful in the NBA. But in reality, the odds are about as good that a kid could make it running across 8 lanes of traffic. Personally, I wish my parents would have tried to get me into acting instead of making me practice the piano for an hour every day!! A few former child actors who seem to have done OK for themselves: Julie Andrews Drew Barrymore Petula Clark Jennifer Connelly Claire Danes Leonardo DiCaprio Jodie Foster Michael J. Fox Melissa Gilbert Neil Patrick Harris Katherine Heigl Ron Howard Helen Hunt Scarlett Johansson Jennifer Love Hewitt I got tired of listing them by the time I got to the H’s. See a complete list of former child stars here: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_child_actors" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...d_actors</a>
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder I can see Jim's point clearly, but I also agree with barboy. There's no reason for Miley Cyrus not to have a shirt on in that picture. I wasn't kidding when I said before, I know of people who have been arrested for having similar pictures on their hard drives. I just refuse to see the "art" in a disheveled looking 15 year old with her bare back exposed wrapped in a sheet. In what other context besides sex is one supposed to view/consider that pose?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I got tired of listing them by the time I got to the H’s.<< But imagine how long the list would be of not just former child stars, but kids who attempted to break into show business, and went on to have terrible after effects. You'd never make it to the H's.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>There's no reason for Miley Cyrus not to have a shirt on in that picture.<< That's just it. It wasn't some scene in a movie that required it to be "true" to the character or whatever. It's a shot meant to show a sexier side of a 15 year old pop princess. Could it have been worse, more risque´? Sure. But it also could have been better. But, it has people talking about Vanity Fair, so mission accomplished, I guess.
