Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<Eisner, other than EDL, from 1984 to 1994 did a lot of stuff that was not idiotic. He propelled the company forward. His key failure? Not cleaning the management house at WDI completely.>> From 1984 to 1994... that's the key. Eisner "did a lot of stuff that was not idiotic"? Correction: Frank Wells did a lot of stuff that was not idiotic. When Wells died in 1994, Eisner lost his guard rail. Without Wells, Eisner was unconstrained and without focus. Wells was the true guiding force of positive change for the company.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I think it was the two of them working together. Wells needed to be there to guide Eisner in the right direction, but at the same time, Eisner needed to be there to give options. Yes, Wells did a great job of keeping things on track, but if it were Eisner that had died in 94 and Wells that survived, I don't think he would have lasted. He had the business sense to run the operation, but he didn't really have the vision that it took. Much like the Walt and Roy dynamic, the two of them together were greater than the sum of their parts.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <It was other areas that he had zero training or experience in that got him in the most trouble.> Maybe other executives in other divisions needed to learn how to say 'no' to Eisner.
Originally Posted By crapshoot <<Maybe other executives in other divisions needed to learn how to say 'no' to Eisner.>> Several did, and several were replaced. DCA was the best example. The only thing that saved many of the Imagineers that opposed the "Hip & Edgy" concept was Tokyo Disney Seas. Otherwise, many more would have been let go.
Originally Posted By Ohana Well since there's no discussion about a Mine Train, let me say this whole overblown blather about Eisner is... idiotic! Most of what is great about Disney today has a part of Eisner's hand in it and the parks would likely have crumbled or been sold off to someone else to suffer a Six Flags/Bugs Bunny weak existence. Eisner overall is a plus. As this board illustrates, there's a lot of misguided unhappy people around, and the internet gives a voice to pretend like all of our opinions matter. They don't. Mine included.
Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance Flik's Fun Fair is too boring for adults. The rides are way too tame. Heimlich's choo choo train? I couldn't believe that thing the first time I went on it. Even my kids were bored with it. And they were really little then. (still are). I think anytime you have a land that's just for tiny people, anyone who isn't tiny which will be at least half of the people in the land, will be bored and hate going there. It's fine to have a land that's mainly for small people as long as it's interesting or fun for big people too which FFF really tends not to be. The exception to that is ITTBAB, but it's actually a bit scary for really small kids. When the seats moved like there were bugs crawling out of the seats, my three year old shot up out of his seat panicking.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt The first time I saw ITTBAB a poor little girl sitting in front of me let out a blood curdling scream and curled into a ball in her seat when the spiders descended from the ceiling. It was so funny that I could not stop laughing. In fact I'm laughing now thinking about it. I'm so ashamed.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 Seriously, that show has got to be terrifying for children. I was seeing the version at Animal Kingdom one time, and I remember a child in front of me bolting for the door in terror at that same part - the spiders really seem to freak the kids out the most!! The poor kids mother had to go chasing after him - and I must admit, it was hysterical!
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Funny, my kids liked it when we last took them in (age 4 and 2). Lol
Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance Hans, you're evil, lol. Actually it IS funny and cute when kids get scared like that. My son didn't care for the spider part either. Although, over all, I don't regret taking him because he loves Bugs Life movie and liked seeing the characters. My daughter was never much afraid of anything like that, so she never had a problem even when she was younger.
