Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I think the decision to treat the ride as a "training" simulator was a poor one. Thus, we're never on Mars. Thus, the designers get around letting the riders seeing the ride contraption when they load. Thus, the video game graphics. ("It doesn't have to feel like a real experience...it's just a training simulator.") How much more magical would Star Tours be if we were merely "training" for space flight, or if Haunted Mansion was simply "introducing" us to the behavior of artificial playful spooks. Part of the Disney magic is the suspension of disbelief, and M:S completely misses that point.<<< Yes, exactly. It was all so sterile, so "controlled". The point of EPCOT is to be real, and MS never does that.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>More engaging than watching the same AA dark ride over & over... Oh wait, you could choose a different way to return to earth (pushing one button - and seeing all the ride vehicle tech, when leaving... Sound familiar?)<<< You'd rather stare at a screen than fully realized theatrical sets?
Originally Posted By leobloom >> More engaging than watching the same AA dark ride over & over... Oh wait, you could choose a different way to return to earth (pushing one button - and seeing all the ride vehicle tech, when leaving... Sound familiar?) << Yes, it sounds like Mission: Space. You do realize that the button-pushing in Horizons actually had an effect on the outcome of the ride. You do realize that's not the case with M:S, right? (Did I just spoil some official Disney magic with that remark?) And you do realize that the ride system is much more visible with M:S (and Soarin' for that matter) than it ever was for Horizons? So tell me again how you're trying to twist this around to equate Horizons with M:S?
Originally Posted By 3disneylocations You'd rather stare at a screen than fully realized theatrical sets? << Yes. And EE, given your youthful age it might be interesting to know how old you were the last time you rode Horizons... You may be looking @ the attraction thru youthful nostolgia (there isn't anything wrong w/that), but Horizons was a redundant attraction, it was... Nuff said.
Originally Posted By ChiMike Nothing from Horizons was moved to SSE. Really nothing was reused in its original form from Horizons. Isn't the crystal reused in Space Mountain's post show, or is it a replica?
Originally Posted By 3disneylocations Nothing from Horizons was moved to SSE. Really nothing was reused in its original form from Horizons<<< Yes it was. The first refurb on the desent, some of it is still there... These were the sections that would have a AA looking away from you and they were talking to a video screen, then as you passed you saw the figure that was on video as a AA and prior AA on video. Look it up.
Originally Posted By leobloom I remember after they reopened Horizons (when was that -- mid-90s?), the line was pretty short the times I was there. How long was Horizons closed? Two or three years? I imagine that didn't help it maintain popularity. And of course it was an Omnimover, too, which means judging the ridership based on the queue could be deceiving.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> You'd rather stare at a screen than fully realized theatrical sets? << Yes. And EE, given your youthful age it might be interesting to know how old you were the last time you rode Horizons... You may be looking @ the attraction thru youthful nostolgia (there isn't anything wrong w/that), but Horizons was a redundant attraction, it was... Nuff said. << So 3d, do you prefer M:S or Midway Mania to Haunted Mansion, any of the Mountains, Pirates, Tower of Terror, or IJA? Just curious. It's always been my sense that the most universally-loved Disney attractions rely on fully-realized sets and not screens.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<They went from 3 to 2 g's in response the the deaths.>> No, they didn't.
Originally Posted By 3disneylocations So 3d, do you prefer M:S or Midway Mania to Haunted Mansion, any of the Mountains, Pirates, Tower of Terror, or IJA? Just curious. It's always been my sense that the most universally-loved Disney attractions rely on fully-realized sets and not screens.<<< I want both... And hand painted tiles in the terlets... FYI check out the pool house at the CBR it'll warm the COCKels of your heart..
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Did too.>> I mean you can say they did all you want. I've heard it from the manufacturer and the engineers that worked the ride. The Orange side has NEVER been toned down. It operates exactly the same as the attraction did from opening day.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>And EE, given your youthful age it might be interesting to know how old you were the last time you rode Horizons... You may be looking @ the attraction thru youthful nostolgia (there isn't anything wrong w/that), but Horizons was a redundant attraction, it was... Nuff said.<<< Age 10. I honestly don't think that matters... even though this is a matter of personal opinion, and I prefer fully realized environments, and rich details to cheap screens and graphics.
Originally Posted By DlandDug I was probably in my mid 30s the last time I experienced Horizons. Although I had been on it many times, I enjoyed it very much. I do prefer the great AA extravaganzas.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Same here Doug... I really like Horizons. I hit it everytime I was at EPCOT.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Horizons was my 3rd fav epcot attraction after spaceship earth and the American adventure. Most of the newer additions to epcot are not great IMHO except the Millennium Celebrations.
Originally Posted By DlandDug My all time favorites at Epcot were Horizons, Imagination, and Kitchen Kabaret. The management at WDW hasn't done very well by me...!
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Veggie Veggie Fruit Fruit (as much as I love Soarin', I do miss Kitchen Kaberet).
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>My all time favorites at Epcot were Horizons, Imagination, and Kitchen Kabaret. The management at WDW hasn't done very well by me...!<<< ...I only have Spaceship Earth left on my list.
