Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<I think the jury was in on MS years ago. If you want a attraction that is going to send park quests to the hospital then MS is your attraction. Not to mention the fact that no other Disney park wants one>> That is a complete myth. Other Disney attractions send more people to the hospital than MS, including Space Mountain, Splash Mountain, and amazingly enough, Pirates of the Caribbean. NONE of the Epcot attractions have been duplicated elsewhere, so your statement about no other Disney Park wanting MS really doesn't mean anything. I'll certainly accept your OPINION that MS is not successful, but your "facts" don't hold up.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <a href="http://www.talkdisney.com/forums/td-archives/22879-mission-space-sends-riders-hospital.html#axzz1UHIzSAbV" target="_blank">http://www.talkdisney.com/foru...UHIzSAbV</a> <<LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. -- One of the new rides at Walt Disney World in Florida is apparently a little too much for some people willing to get on board. Six people over the age of 55 have been taken to a hospital for chest pain and nausea after going the ride called "Mission: Space." It is the most hospital visits for a single ride since Florida's major theme parks agreed in 2001 to report any serious injuries to the state. The only other ride that approaches that number was Universal Orlando's "Ripsaw Falls," which had three reported injuries in 2002. Although the reports showed no major maladies from Mission: Space, the hospital visits may come up in discussions this summer with state officials who consult annually with park officials about safety, according to the report. ===================================== Disney Ride Sends 6 To Hospital In 8 Months Ride Induces Feeling Of Weightlessness>>
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <a href="http://www.wdwinfo.com/wdwinfo/guides/epcot/epfw-mission.htm" target="_blank">http://www.wdwinfo.com/wdwinfo...sion.htm</a> <<Mission Space Hazardous to your health? After more than anticipated "protein spills", Mission Space now has Motion Sickness bags handy for riders. Even if you usually don't have a problem with this, you may find that this attraction makes you queasy. Riders of Mission Space in the age 55 plus bracket take note. Enough guests in this age group have been taken to the hospital after experiencing Mission Space that it’s become a concern. The guests requiring medical attention had all complained of chest pain and nausea. The majority of them had pre-existing conditions, which are specifically mentioned in the posted warning notices. With age being the common denominator of those taken to the hospital, adding warnings specifically for older riders may become necessary. While there are no less than 13 warning signs addressing pregnancy, height minimums, motion sickness, high blood pressure, heart, back or neck problems, and a recommendation that you be in good health, none of the cautions specifically address riders who are over 55 years of age. Starting in 2001, Florida theme parks began sharing information regarding the safety of their attractions. With six guests requiring a trip to the hospital over the past eight months, “Mission Space” has eclipsed Universal’s “Ripsaw Falls” which reported three injuries in 2002.>> As far as I know, it's the ONLY ride/attraction on WDW property with barf bags.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <a href="http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2004-05-06/news/0405060125_1_walt-disney-theme-park-hospitalized-with-chest" target="_blank">http://articles.orlandosentine...th-chest</a> <<Mission: Space Ride Has Sent 6 To Hospital May 06, 2004|By Sean Mussenden, Sentinel Staff Writer The complimentary "air-sickness" bags provided the first clue that Epcot's Mission: Space was an unusually intense Disney ride. The second clue came Wednesday, when state theme park safety records revealed that six Mission: Space riders have been hospitalized with chest pains or nausea since the rocket simulator opened last summer. Only one other theme park ride has caused more than two hospital visits since Florida's largest theme park companies began voluntarily reporting injuries to the state in 2001 -- Ripsaw Falls at Universal's Islands of Adventure, with three. The Mission: Space hospitalizations were first reported by the Associated Press on Wednesday. "Part of the thrill of Mission: Space is that it is an intense attraction. . . . Clearly it's not an attraction for everyone," Walt Disney World spokeswoman Rena Langley said. All six hospitalized riders were over age 55. According to state records, three were hospitalized with "chest pain," two with "nausea," and one who "didn't feel well." Disney said Wednesday that four of the six had pre-existing medical conditions -- one with diabetes and three who had undergone heart surgery -- though the company declined to provide supporting medical records.>> Even by Disney's own words, "this ride isn't for everyone". Roadtrip, feel free to contribute your "facts" that show other rides and attractions send more guests to the hospital.
Originally Posted By underminer Mission:Space IMHO is not a failure. The larger failure is when Disney ceases to try something creative, innovative and original. Was it executed as well as it should've been? Probably not, but in my opinion there is much more to like about M:S than to dislike. The building and que are both very sleek and cool. The build up to the attraction is great...its the execution of the ride itself which is lacking. In their effort to provide a very real experience, the riders are strapped very tightly into a somewhat claustrophobic area with small screens to look at. If this was sim training for astronauts that would be fine, but as an attraction at a theme park it would've been better to make it a little more hyper-realistic. Give us big windows which surround us (like the cockpit of the millenium falcon) and use some real IMAX footage taken from space shuttle missions leaving earth. Maybe instead of going to Mars, play it out like Apollo 13 and give us some interesting technical difficulties which require us to "slingshot" around the moon to return home (another shot at some "G" forces Seeing the actual earth coming towards us larger than life would be amazing. I am sure there are many other great ideas out there, but the bottom line is that M:S was an incredible attempt by Disney to do something really cool and it should be applauded and encouraged.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <a href="http://www.clickorlando.com/travelgetaways/2707438/detail.html" target="_blank">http://www.clickorlando.com/tr...ail.html</a> <<ORLANDO, Fla. -- Disney's new Mission: Space thrill ride has reportedly become the first theme park attraction to offer "motion sickness" bags -- similar to those found on airplanes -- to its passengers, according to Local 6 News.>> I guess that answers that question. It's the first (and to my knowlege ONLY) theme park attraction to ever offer motion sickness bags.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost You know Underminer, that is a very good story line. I don't think the windows would be a realistic experience as I've yet to see any wide vista windows on any space shuttle...but I do like the story line better. Now that it has been mentioned, I always had an odd feeling about landing on Mars and then just walking out. It was like there was no conclusion to the ride. One time I rode it and then went directly over to Imagination. As I was within 10 feet of the entrance to Imagination they started closing up shop for the night. I pleaded like anyone would by telling them that I had just walked all the way from Mars to get here, surely they could find a way for me to ride. They were not amused.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Sorry... I don't consider nausea to be a major problem. When I was thinking of injuries I was thinking of broken bones, lacerations, severe sprains etc, as well as actual deaths. Mission Space has NEVER caused a severe injury... many other Disney attractions have. The only deaths have been due to pre-existing conditions... not due to the ride itself. And as your one article pointed out, riders are repeatedly warned with signage and verbally in the pre-show about who should not ride and who might not want to ride. If you ignore all those warnings, don't complain about experiencing a technicolor yawn.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incidents_at_Walt_Disney_World_Resort" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...d_Resort</a> <<Mission: SPACE Main article: Mission: Space Wikinews has related news: Boy dies on Mission Space ride at Disneyworld On June 13, 2005, a 4-year-old boy died after riding Mission: SPACE. An autopsy by the Orange County Medical Examiner's Office, released on November 15, 2005, found that the boy died as a result of a pre-existing, previously undiagnosed idiopathic heart condition called myocardial hypertrophy. On June 12, 2006, a lawsuit was filed against Disney by his parents, claiming that Disney never should have allowed a 4-year-old child on the ride and didn't offer an adequate medical response after he collapsed.[45] On January 11, 2007, the lawsuit was dismissed with prejudice.[46] On April 12, 2006, a 49-year-old woman from Schmitten, Germany fell ill after riding Mission: SPACE and died at Celebration Hospital in nearby Celebration, Florida. An autopsy determined that she died from a brain hemorrhage caused by longstanding and severe high blood pressure; there was no evidence of trauma attributable to the ride.[47] From June 2005 to June 2006, paramedics treated 194 Mission: SPACE riders. The most common complaints were dizziness, nausea and vomiting. Of those 194 guests: 25 people passed out, 26 suffered difficulty breathing and 16 reported chest pains or irregular heartbeats.[48] In May 2006, Disney altered the ride by offering a less-intense ride experience that did not include the centrifuge. Statistics reported to the state of Florida since then have shown a decrease in the number of health complaints filed by riders.>> How about paramedics treating 194 Mission Space riders? Does that count?
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Kennesaw Tom, I get that you REALLY don't like Mission Space. That is certainly your right, but that doesn't make the ride a failure. I don't like Splash Mountain, but I know most people adore it... everyone has their own preferences. There are only two Future World attractions that AREN'T virtual walk-ons for major parts of the day... Test Track and Soarin'. I don't hear people saying Spaceship Earth is a failure, even though most times of the day after noon there is little or no line to ride it. And before you tell me that is only because SSE is a people-eating omnimover, SSE has a capacity of 1,400 riders per hour while Mission Space has a capacity of 1,600 riders per hour.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Care to comment about the motion sickness bags?>> Yup... people puke in them. I've never seen one used though.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<How about paramedics treating 194 Mission Space riders? Does that count?>> <<The most common complaints were dizziness, nausea and vomiting.>> That speaks for itself. So people feel queasy and occasionally barf. Who cares? The dizziest I've ever been was after riding the Tea Cups. I felt ill for the rest of the day. That doesn't mean it is a dangerous ride.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<That is a complete myth.>> Oh, I think I disproved that! <<Other Disney attractions send more people to the hospital than MS, including Space Mountain, Splash Mountain, and amazingly enough, Pirates of the Caribbean.>> Your proof please. <<I'll certainly accept your OPINION that MS is not successful, but your "facts" don't hold up.>> Prove me wrong! Where are you facts? I already proved that Mission Space sent more people to the hospital than any other ride in Orlando's history. I also proved that it was the first (and to my knowlege ONLY) theme park ride to have motion sickness bags on it. And incase there where any doubters in the crowd found the website listing ALL injuries on WDW property from the begining of time. And over a one year period paramedics had to treat 194 Mission Space riders. Please by all means show me another theme park ride or attraction anywhere in the world that has those stats? Show me a bus accident or any incident of any kind on WDW property or elsewhere that has those stats. I have no problem with the Mission Space. I just think that perhaps posters here should demonstrate at least some knowlege of the subject matter before calling other people's comments "OPINION". You want to talk facts.... lets talk facts... where are your facts? Prove me wrong!
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost I hesitate to jump in here because I can tell already that I won't be able to get out without getting all scared up, but the argument is about success or failure as a ride. Sighting medical statistics about the number of real or self-induced vomiting, the number of people that "require" medical care whenever they get a hangnail, or even the ones that died due to a pre-existing condition does not constitute success or failure. Personally, I think that is a strong reason why more people do not ride it, but it is still being ridden in large enough numbers in spite of all the negative hype, but like most of the Epcot rides, there is never a huge line for it, so that would mean all with a line shorter then Soarin or TT would therefore be cast as failures? If a thrill ride is what Disney wanted, well they certainly got that. Barf bags are a precautionary, just like they are in airplanes.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip More people have been INJURED on other Disney attractions... perhaps that is what I should have said. I don't consider dizziness, nausea or vomiting to be injuries.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Here are some ACTUAL injuries resulting from Disney Attractions. I believe they are a little worse than someone barfing. 3/14/2010 - Tomorrowland Speedway - Submitted by robert on 3/14/2010 A guest, driving one of the cars, struck and injured a cast member attendant on the ride. The ride was closed temporarily, and the employee taken to the hospital. The injuries were not immediately disclosed, except that they were not life-threatening. 2/14/2006 - Peter Pan's Flight - Submitted by robert on 2/16/2006 A 70-year-old man was pinned between ride vehicles when he tried to board the ride from the load area moving sidewalk, at about 6:30 p.m. The ride was closed, then reopened the next morning after an investigation. No malfunction was found with the ride. The area around the ride in Fantasyland was evacuated for about an hour after the accident while emergency personnel assisted the victim. The man was treated for unspecified injuries at Orlando Regional Medical Center, where he was reported in good condition the next day. 12/20/2000 - Splash Mountain - Submitted by Name Withheld on 6/10/2001 An elderly woman fell as she tried to exit her boat at the load area. • Click here if you have additional information. Follow-up: I was working at MK at that time and what happened was that the boat was sent as the woman was trying to exit, only she wasn't at the unloading point, but in the bay behind where she would have had to climb over a rope to get onto land. The boat was sent and for reasons unknown the dispatch oerator did not emergency stop the ride. It was not until all the shouting reached the tower and was E-Stopped from there. The dispatch operator was greatly shocked by this incident and consiquently was removed from working on Splash Mountain. -- Submitted by rissy on 10/31/2001 11/5/2000 - Splash Mountain - Submitted by robert on 5/12/2001 A tourist was killed after he jumped out of a "log," in an attempt to exit the ride. An investigation found that the man likely panicked. 9/10/1998 - Space Mountain - Submitted by Name Withheld on 3/7/2002 A guest of WDW occupied a rocket car on 09/10/98 within space mountain. When he got on the ride he was a healthy male who worked as a doctor. At the end of the ride he was discovered slumped over in the rocket car unconcsious suffering from a laceration and contusion to the head. The police were called due to the seriousness of his injuries and the ride was closed. An investigation of the inside of the ride revealed that there were at least two items which were believed to have fallen out of cars while guests rode the ride and fell from the tracks through the ride and ending up on the floor of the structure. Disney employees walk the floor of the ride on a daily basis and find items which were not appropriately secured by patrons and fall out of the cars while the ride is in operation. The force of the accident caused the park guest's new sneakers to be almost ripped apart at the seams. The patron was taken to the local trauma center via helicopter and while released after a period he is now suffering paralysis to his left arm, pain in his legs, brain damage, memory loss. The individual is represented by David Fussell of Horwitz and Fussell, P.A. Orlando, Florida 12/31/1995 - Tomorrowland Indy Speedway - Submitted by robert on 12/12/2001 On New Year's Eve in 1995, Gustavo Sanchez went on the then-Grand Prix Raceway when another car began bumping Sanchez's car from the rear. The other Grand Prix car, driven by an unidentified 12-14 year old male, forcefully bumped Sanchez's vehicle at least two to three times. Sanchez suffered lower back injuries, endured two surgeries and eventually won a court settlement from Disney. Source: <a href="http://www.themeparkinsider.com/reviews/walt_disney_world%27s_magic_kingdom/accidents/" target="_blank">http://www.themeparkinsider.co...cidents/</a>
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>NONE of the Epcot attractions have been duplicated elsewhere, so your statement about no other Disney Park wanting MS really doesn't mean anything.<< HISTA was installed in DL, TDL (under the title MicroAdventure), and DLP, and a modified Innoventions concept was added to DL. DL's new Submarine Voyage is pretty similar to the Nemo ride at the Living Seas, but different enough to not be the same experience at all. But it is pretty remarkable how few Epcot attractions have been copied (and only Soarin' was copied for Epcot). Maybe that's part of the reason why it's such a popular park among fans... <<Care to comment about the motion sickness bags?>> I don't really have any additions about the ones in M:S, but they also have bags on the swinging cars of the ferris wheel in DCA. It's not a huge deal, but M:S isn't alone in the Disney universe to have on-board bags.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I just realized that Magic Journeys was original in MK before moving to Epcot when the Imagination Pavilion opened, and it also spent some time in DL. When Captain EO was created for DL, it also came to Epcot (though it's run in DL was several years longer before HISTA). Now, both parks have EO again. And the old China CircleVision was also shown in DL. And I believe clips from the Canada film area from the 1967 Montreal Expo, so that's kind of a clone too. So I guess there are more non-Epcot-exclusive attractions than I thought (though the 3D films seem to be a large portion of them).
Originally Posted By disney pete In my eyes it's a success if i go on a ride and enjoy it and ride it again either later that trip or on my next visit then it's a success not a failure.
