Originally Posted By jonvn "Well these guys state otherwise" Well, then they are incorrect, aren't they. You don't get withrdawals, it helps people, and it is less toxic than other treatments. That's really all there is to it. You want people to suffer? Fine. I don't.
Originally Posted By barboy **And it doesn't sound like barboy was too sick when he was smoking pot in Amsterdam.** Correct. In Amsterdam I smoked for recreation and the sheer enjoyment of getting high---- and I found the experience priceless---- an experience which I fully plan to do again. Do you have a problem with my pot use? If yes, then you might really come unglued to find out that I take other drugs too like alcohol and caffeine on a daily basis.
Originally Posted By DAR New Golden Doobie for next year: Most likely to eat a whole pizza, peanut butter cups, Cheetos, Doritos, Fritos and Buggles Barboy.
Originally Posted By barboy "Most likely to eat a whole pizza" Damn! ----that was one well timed delivery DAR. Just last night I ate a whole 14" pizza.
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF >>Can we assume that you have never had a beer, a glass of wine, tobacco, a cup of coffee, or an unhealthy meal in your lifetime?<< Not if he's a Mormon in Utah...
Originally Posted By ncnike7 "If you're trying to make some sort of "high horse" judgement about Barboy doing something perfectly legal...I sure hope that you are not a hypocrite." I was not passing any judgement, you said something about sick people needing it and that it was not a funny matter. I just said that no, it is not a funny matter but that barboy didn't seem to need it for medical matters. I don't care who uses drugs, just don't give them to kids. If you want to fry your own brain, then go for it. Maybe you already have. "Can we assume that you have never had a beer, a glass of wine, tobacco, a cup of coffee, or an unhealthy meal in your lifetime?" No, I have never had any of those. "Not if he's a Mormon in Utah" Why does everyone assume I'm a guy? And do you have something against Mormons, Utah, me or all of the above Blue?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan In the case of someone suffering from the after-effects of chemo or some other illness, we are talking about easing pain and discomfort, not legalizing it for recreational use. Having walked a mile in these moccasins, I can tell you that it *might* have helped my father a little, but we will never know. I do know that the medications he was given didn't do the trick. He tried but could not eat. Anti-anxiety medicines helped a little, but not a lot. There's every chance that medical marijuana might not have helped, either. But I wish we'd had a safe, LEGAL way to give it a try for him.
Originally Posted By DAR <<I don't care who uses drugs, just don't give them to kids.>> Well any reasonable person would say don't give drugs to kids. I would hope that a doctor would have the foresight to prescribe the correct dosage to a child than to an adult.
Originally Posted By ncnike7 I know it is none of my business, but what kind of cancer did your father die from? I knew a lady that died from stomach cancer and nothing seemed to help her either. She had a morphine drip but that made her tired and she wanted to be able to enjoy her last few weeks with her family. I guess in the case of someone who has terminal cancer, any bad side-effects from smoking or ingesting marijuana wouldn't matter. But for the thousands and thousands that do survive, it could cause more problems down the road. That is why I don't think giving it to them is a good idea. The chemo and radiation is toxic enough.
Originally Posted By ncnike7 "Well any reasonable person would say don't give drugs to kids. I would hope that a doctor would have the foresight to prescribe the correct dosage to a child than to an adult." I would hope so to, but someone posted before that there is no way to give a dosage to anyone because each "batch" is different. They don't tend to test many drugs on kids so there wouldn't be a very reliable way to find a correct dosage for them any way. My sons cardiologists prescribed a medication for him that was meant for adults and had never been studied in children. It scared me to death every time I had to give it to him.
Originally Posted By jonvn It doesn't cause problems down the road. It's one of the most benign things you can give a cancer patient. "Well any reasonable person would say don't give drugs to kids" Oh. I'll stop putting LSD in my kid's food then.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan My dad had pancreatic cancer. The prognosis for that cancer is never good. All I'm saying is that whatever time he did had "might" have been a little less miserable than it was if he'd been able to not have the terrible nausea and anxiety. It was worth a try. I strongly doubt that the amount of marijuana consumed would have been problematic, all things considered. Worrying about such "after-effects" was a luxury we simply weren't going to have. This was dire straights.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>But for the thousands and thousands that do survive, it could cause more problems down the road.<< I'm not sure what problems you mean here. You ingest the pot, it takes some brain cells, it goes away. It doesn't build up in one's system. Especially if it is being ingested in a way other than smoking, i don't understand this concern.
Originally Posted By ncnike7 I'm sorry that you and your family, especially your father, had to go through that. Cancer isn't fair, it will get anyone, young and old, and it doesn't care how good of a person they are. I hate it.
Originally Posted By DAR While I'll never be against prescribing marijuana for cancer patients, I'd rather see the focus on finding a cure. Which leads me to another rant. This month appears to be Breast Cancer Awarness Month. Everywhere I look store ads, tv ads, heck even my football team had pink towels. It certainly is something that needs to be eradicated. Heck I never met my grandmother because of it. But why did this get its own special wing of diseases we have to fight. I'd like us take the fight to fight all types of cancer.
Originally Posted By jonvn I'm very likely to get cancer. I'm working on heart disease, but we don't seem to get that in my family, we get cancer. I have watched every one of my family members on my father's side die from it. If I get it, I'm not going to bother with the nonsense of how it is illegal, or how it may hurt me in the future. What is hurting me now is the disease. Something that will ease that is what I would want. To try and suggest otherwise is a cruel and heartless position to take.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Thank you. It's a terrible disease, although, happily, many more people are recovering from other forms of it now than used to be. Pancreatic cancer apparently is the least funded and thereby least understood and treatable of the major forms of cancer. My dad was actually scheduled to be part of a gene theraby clinical trial. While this wouldn't likely have been a cure, it would have yielded important data for further research. Unfortunately, he took a real turn for the worse around Labor Day and passed away the following week.
Originally Posted By DAR <<I'm not sure what problems you mean here. You ingest the pot, it takes some brain cells, it goes away. It doesn't build up in one's system. Especially if it is being ingested in a way other than smoking, i don't understand this concern.>> IIRC it stays in your hair for an amount of time, up to a year I thought. Now for a cancer patient(and I don't mean this as a joke)that's something they won't have to worry about.
