Originally Posted By skinnerbox Whatever you say, vbdad. All public unions are corrupt. All public union workers are corrupt. Every single one of them. Shut all public unions down. Shut all public unions down. Shut all public unions down. Shut all public unions down. Message received. I'm voting for the tea baggers in 2012. Good night all.
Originally Posted By Donny I would just like the Unions to acknowledge the problems and work with businesses and Governments to fix the problems that continualy give unions a bad name.
Originally Posted By Donny Just so it's said one big reason why I like Romney is because he is for states rights and against Federal domination of states
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 If the election were tomorrow I'd honestly abstain from voting I just couldn't bring myself to vote for President Obama or the Republican challenger.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Whatever you say, vbdad. All public unions are corrupt. All public union workers are corrupt. Every single one of them. Shut all public unions down. Shut all public unions down. Shut all public unions down. Shut all public unions down. Message received. I'm voting for the tea baggers in 2012. Good night all. --- Did you major in hyperbole in college ? Did you go to college ? Show me WHERE in all my posts I said any of the above. If you are a representative of progressives- then I feel sorry for them. really- do you read at all- or comprehend anything without going off on something NO ONE said ? talk about mouthing talkingheds- really do not criticze Beau any more as your approach is no different than his...just from the other side. really pathetic post
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Really- this thread can be closed if that's the kind of response you have- how childish... again show me where I said any of that anywhere. I even stated there are pension plans that are solid and should be left alone. Read my man and try and comprehend. Maybe some anger management as well
Originally Posted By vbdad55 skinner - if you actually have some facts or explicit things you'd like to disucss with details- I 'll b here for a few days-- if you just want to post things I have never said, nor has anyone else here- then I'll just ignore you as I am not going to get into a shouting contest devoid of factual references. Do you deny a single item I posted is an issue ? Did you bother to read and notice that both parties were well represented in the issues ? This is not a GOP talking point- this is common sense man. If you think any of the above situations are a good thing, let us know why. If you have any experience handling budgets that involve pension payments and taxing jurisdictions and would like to debate how they work- let's discuss- I would be more than willing. If you just want to scream nonsense- step away from the keyboard,
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Similarly, Gerald Ford got labeled as a stumblebum for a couple of physical slips, which were then exaggerated and parodied ad infinitum, notably by Chevy Chase*** And didn't Chase admit fairly recently that he did so on purpose, for political reasons? Still, the guy HAD to take some heat, his stumbles were legendary... <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlz0he9rtKw" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...0he9rtKw</a>
Originally Posted By Labuda "Let's let him answer that, okay? Maybe Donny actually like's Romney's positions - like Trump he's more of a social moderate. Donny actually seemed MORE conservative to me than Trump or Romney, so I'm genuinely curious." I'm still waiting on Donny tell tell me why "Obamacare" is so horrible, yet he likes Romney and wants him to be President.
Originally Posted By Donny Labuda if a State like Wisconsin wants to create ahealth care system like Badger care then I am OK with that.But I don't want the federal government to do it
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 So...Federal government, bad...state government, good...ok. I don't understand the logic there.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I think the logic is "Romney good, Obama bad" and whatever needs to flow from that will flow. Kind of like Bush's infamous (in the words of the British) "fixing the intelligence around the policy."
Originally Posted By Mr X ***So...Federal government, bad...state government, good...ok. I don't understand the logic there*** Me neither. It reminds me of the twisted logic of the teabaggers who would rail against those in authority on the national stage, going so far as calling them un-American fiends who want to destroy us all, and yet when it comes to minor authority figures (local cops, for example), they are wonderful human beings completely beyond reproach no matter what.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 if you had the level of corruption there is at the state level in Illinois- the feds actually look pretty good.
Originally Posted By Mr X Sure. And that's just it, too. I don't get how extremely partisan types can compartmentalize so thoroughly (and even if they were to point to Illinois, it would likely be to attack "libs" and their America hating ways, even though one could point out many more examples of local corruption right to the core, both in blue strongholds as well as red ones).
Originally Posted By Donny "It reminds me of the twisted logic of the teabaggers"--Mean spirited There is nothing twisted about the idea that States are more accountable to the people and if the people of that state want Obama care they will vote it in.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***"It reminds me of the twisted logic of the teabaggers"--Mean spirited*** Yes, you're right. I don't care for that group one bit, nor their corporate masters. ***There is nothing twisted about the idea that States are more accountable to the people*** Sure there is. What do you mean by that, "more accountable"? ***and if the people of that state want Obama care they will vote it in*** You know it doesn't work like that, Donny. Some states will enact reform, others will regress further and the insurance giants will relocate to those places. The losers, as usual, will be the lower middle-class and working poor who could ONLY benefit from a national program.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "But like Mitt Romney said "Let people buy insurance across state lines" From who? Name a few companies that will allow a Dad living in one state to buy affordable, reasonable health insurance for his child that lives in another state. Go ahead, name some.
