Originally Posted By utahjosh What type of gun do you use to hunt wolverines ? A freakin' 12-gauge, whattya ya think?
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <I was referring to your post #32. Not that you didn't know that from the start.> No, I didn't. Because you said websites, not website. Are you now saying the liberal propaganda websites are okay, but conservatives ones aren't?
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Sounds to me like he could very easily be talking about Obama the public persona, and not his literal birth. But nice try.> Saying "nice try" implies that I was trying to convince people that Obama was lying. I wasn't. If you go back and read my earlier post, I put the word lying in quotation marks. I was merely pointing out that politicians say things that can be taken different ways, and partisans are never willing to give people the benefit of the doubt. I don't believe Obama was lying, and I don't believe Romney was lying.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Saying "nice try" implies that I was trying to convince people that Obama was lying. I wasn't." Your post 24 contains no such trick. Nice try.
Originally Posted By ecdc Your post 24 was quite clear. You stated, with no hint if sarcasm or attempt at your later claim that you were just showing that what politicians say can be taken differently, that Obama said the March in Selma alone was why he existed, impying that he meant that his parents met there. You further left no doubt by then attempting to refute Obama's claim by pointing out that he was born years before the march took place. When called on it and asked for a source, you quoted Obama but deliberately left out several paragraphs that make Obama's true meaning quite clear - even to a spinner like you. Be a man, Douglas. Own up to what really happened. You were listening to Rush or reading or watching some other right-wing source, they accused Obama of lying, you posted it here without knowing the whole story, then when asked for a source, you Googled it and found out the story wasn't as straight-forward as your talking points provider led you to believe. So rather than just post links, you quoted Obama but just left out the paragraphs that prove your original claim couldn't have been more wrong.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 The difference, of course, is that only an extreme partisan would say that Obama lied about the Selma thing, when he was clearly speaking metaphorically. Romney saying he's been a "lifelong hunter," when he's done it twice and never held a hunting license is indeed more of a stretch. So to say Obama lied, or even "lied" for sillier reasons than Romney is incorrect (but ideologically pure for you, I'll give you that).
Originally Posted By friendofdd The way each side supports it's own, no matter what, would be amusing if it didn't just go on and on and on and......
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <The difference, of course, is that only an extreme partisan would say that Obama lied about the Selma thing, when he was clearly speaking metaphorically.> I think only an extreme partisan would claim that only extreme partisans agree that there was a clear difference between what Obama said and what Romney said. Reasonable people would give them both the benefit of the doubt - that Obama was speaking metaphorically, even though it wasn't that clear, and that Romney was making a bit of a joke.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Are you really clinging to "a bit of a joke?" I saw the tape, and he wasn't joking, he was making a claim that was, to be generous, stretching the truth. I also saw Obama's tape, and it was quite clear what he was getting at. Of course, if you look at it through your thick ideological glasses, I'm sure it's murkier.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh Sure. I'm the only one who sees things through the prism of ideology. You never do. I don't think so.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>"I purchased a gun when I was a young man. I've been a hunter pretty much all my life," he told a man sporting a National Rifle Association cap.<< I'm missing the punchline.
Originally Posted By utahjosh Out of proportion. Sure, it wasn't super-accurate. But HE HUNTED as a teen, and he's HUNTED as an adult. That could qualify for "lifetime hunter," but only as a very bigstretch. I wish he hadn't of said that, but it's not going to really change my opinion on his character or policies.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan I have been water skiing twice. Once as a young teen, later as an adult. I'm not a lifelong water skier. If I said I was, it wouldn't be a stretch, it would be a lie. Why can't we call it what it is? He just plain lied while pandering for a vote. Is it the biggest issue or the worst thing he could have lied about? No. But it does suggest he's capable of playing fast and loose, so it serves as something to watch out for. If it is a one-off, no biggie. If it becomes a pattern, that's important.
Originally Posted By alexbook Why is this such a big deal? Is it any different from a candidate saying how every town they visit is the friendliest town they've ever visited? Or telling every voter how handsome their kids are? Or telling [insert ethnicity here]-American voters how great their food is?
Originally Posted By utahjosh "If it is a one-off, no biggie. If it becomes a pattern, that's important." That's exactly right. It's been once time. Let's give it a thread and discuss it if it happens at least a few more time. (I doubt it will). But in the meantime, it's still being taken out of proportion by many.
