Originally Posted By skinnerbox If being a progressive who accepts and welcomes social, racial, sexual, and cultural diversity equates to having "some serious mental health issues," then... bring it on, baby! That's the kind of crazy I want to live with!!
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Show me in the New Testament, Donny, where Jesus condemned homosexuality. Show me in the New Testament, Donny, where Jesus said *anything* about homosexuality. It never ceases to amaze me how so-called Christians always default to the Old Testament to defend bigotry when they can't find any scripture in the New Testament to support it. If you're Christian, the Old Testament is a history lesson. Nothing else. Your 'laws' have been given to you by Jesus. So if Jesus hasn't condemned something specifically, you guys need to stop attributing your condemnation to him. Doing so just makes you look dishonest and hateful.
Originally Posted By Ivan %%%%%%Show me in the New Testament%%%%% and where in the new part of the Bible does it say "don't bed down 5 year olds"? See what I mean? Just because something isn't listed doesn't mean it isn't a good thing to be doing. Some things are so obviously wrong that we don't need someone to tell us not to do them. and for 182 you should understand that Mormons like Catholics and Muslims have a long history of messing up gay's lives. The best thing to do with them is leave them be and whatever happens to them so be it, at least they made their own decisions in life.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<and where in the new part of the Bible does it say "don't bed down 5 year olds"? See what I mean? Just because something isn't listed doesn't mean it isn't a good thing to be doing. Some things are so obviously wrong that we don't need someone to tell us not to do them.>> Beau, this is a false equivalency argument. Having sex with a 5-year-old is not the same as two consenting adults. Forcing sex on someone of any age, against their will, is not the same as consensual sex between mature adults. If you're going to make analogies, at least try to make applicable ones.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer The New Testament does say that you should only have one spouse, which is something that Joseph Smith didn't believe. And it's something that Romney's great-grandfather didn't believe, which is why his dad was born in Mexico.
Originally Posted By Ivan %%%%Beau, this is a false equivalency argument. Having sex with a 5-year-old is not the same as two consenting adults. Forcing sex on someone of any age, against their will, is not the same as consensual sex between mature adults.%%%%% never said it was, so where are you coming from? What I said and it should be easily gotten is that you brought up the New Testament as %%%%proof%%%% that gay is OK but as you can see that just will not work. It won't work because the Bible is not what we should be following. we should follow what is right and wrong. also why are you being sarcastic calling me your beaugh? I am a married man and am not looking for another woman if your are a chick.
Originally Posted By Ivan hey here's a novel idea, why don't we start all over and be nice to one another. All this bickering is pointless so from now let's only say things that will be helpful. This works in my household and we get along swell. I am glad we all agree on this new way to treat eachother.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> It never ceases to amaze me how so-called Christians always default to the Old Testament to defend bigotry when they can't find any scripture in the New Testament to support it. << I think they also point to some of Paul's epistles (maybe the one to the Romans?) that mentions homosexuality in a list of "abominations." I realize these verses are parsed in different ways by theologians, some saying it's "anti-homosexuality" and some saying it's not that clear. But it's not as if the New Testament is completely silent on the subject.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Well, except for Paul it is. And Paul, for all his importance to the early church, was just a guy, and these are just his letters and thoughts on a variety of topics. He said, for instance, that women mustn't have short hair. Does hair length have anything to do with how good a person or how good a Christian you are? Paul seemed to think so (along with some other iffy beliefs about women, typical of his time and place) but I don't think most people would. Jesus, of course, while talking about sin all the time, was silent on this topic.
