Originally Posted By danyoung >These people have no recourse to address any inaccuracies in your statements or ways to verify if you are taking any other actions to further intrude in their personal lives.< They have plenty of recourse to address any inaccuracies - simply post 'em right here! And once again, your paranoia is showing when you equate the naming of a Disneye executive with stalking or otherwise intruding on personal lives. That absolutely has NOT been done here, nor has it been suggested by anyone. >You can say whatever you want about whoever you want whenever you want. You get an audience for your rhetoric. No one has any recourse to respond to you in a meaningful way because you are behind a cloak of anonymity.< Again, anyone has meaningful recourse - they simply post their point of view and go on from there. It's you, SG, who are trying to accelerate the situation from a meaningful discussion about a Disney executive and his impact on the parks that we all love, into some kind of psycho stalker freak show. It's very rude, and completely inappropriate. >...and when you are met with legitimate criticism you do exactly what a bully would do -- resort to name calling and venom.< I'm surprised he lasted this long. He's feeling the frustration of days of personal attacks from YOU, Sport Goofy, protector of all Disney executives, either pubic or non-public. It's easy to look back over this thread alone and see that it is YOU, Sport Goofy, who are on the attack. Spirit has gone way overboard to try to address your points, but you keep coming back with the same ludicrous rhetoric. Very sad, and very tiresome, dude.
Originally Posted By CMDad My last post on this topic ... If any Disney exec were being personally attacked here, that would be wrong. If anyone were threatening him or his family - that would be wrong. In no state of the union would a discussion of a person's professional performance at a theme park by any stretch of the imagination be considered stalking or a personal threat. What SG's personal agenda is ... I have no idea - but it is the ONLY thing going on here that is inappropriate. SG - saying the sky is pink doesn't make it so.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << If any Disney exec were being personally attacked here, that would be wrong. If anyone were threatening him or his family - that would be wrong. >> I wish this were logical reasoning to follow. However, you sometimes can only infer behavior by its symptoms. The repeated name-dropping and following up on shifts in employment of relatively minor Disney leadership positions is a symptom of underlying behavior. I only bring attention to it now after seeing it for too many times from the same poster. This goes beyond simple "fan" knowledge or interest in single discussion topic. I apologize to the whole group if this sort of discussion makes people feel uncomfortable, but there is a growing body of research in online behavior that describes the very symptoms we see in many different posts on sites like these. If you wait until you see direct evidence of personal attacks or harm being done to someone, it is probably too late for this sort of discussion to take place. When there's smoke, there's more than likely fir.
Originally Posted By jonvn "In no state of the union would a discussion of a person's professional performance at a theme park by any stretch of the imagination be considered stalking or a personal threat." Actually, discussing job performance is very specifically and exactly libel. In fact, companies no longer say things on reference calls other than "Yes he worked here" because if someone says something that causes an individual to not get a job, they can sue for libel.
Originally Posted By jonvn I don't think I've seen any personal threats. But, stalking is a very broad description of many different activities. You can be on the end of a restraining order rather easily.
Originally Posted By danyoung SG, I'm in no way a Spirit worshipper. He'll tell you that we've butted heads many times over the years, and eventually formed a pretty fine online friendship. That said, I don't think you realize Spirit's position in the big wide world. I don't fully know what he does for a living, but I know he personally knows a lot of people in entertainment, including within the Disney company. The guy goes to the freakin' Emmy Awards every year - that should give you a hint that we're not talking about some disgruntled Disney executive wannabe who's sitting at home and spewing drivel while he polishes his gun and knife collection. He just doesn't fit any kind of stalker profile that you keep wanting to force him into. Time to let this one go, amigo.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << He just doesn't fit any kind of stalker profile that you keep wanting to force him into. >> I don't want to force anyone into a profile. I know nothing about the original poster. The problem, however, is that there are hundreds of other people participating in this discussion group. When this sort of behavior becomes the norm for one poster, it becomes acceptable for the whole group. In an anonymous forum, you can't assume that everyone is going to behave in a pristine manner. I wouldn't worry so much about a particular poster who might have influenced my decision to write about this subject so much as the poster that we don't even know about yet -- the one who sees this sort of behavior and feels encouraged to try and "fit into" the group of fan and seek out the same sort of information on Disney employees but in a much more dangerous fashion. It's great if you have industry connections -- if that's the case, identify yourself and reveal your sources. Otherwise, I maintain that this sort of constant and continuous speculation on what Disney manager is working where is not a healthy activity for these discussion forums and, in time, will lead to a negative outcome.
Originally Posted By jkayjs You know the old phrase "me thinks ye protests to loudly". I know a little about behavior as a matter of fact I know quite a lot about behavior. I'm always suspect of anyone that persists in attributing an idea or action to another dispite repeated evidence that said idea/action does not exist. I find all to often that this very idea/action actually belongs to the person making the accusations. The hope being that all the noise will distract others from seeing the truth, the old "don't pay any attention to the man behind the curtain" sort of thing. I respect others opinion and their right to voice it. I'm not entirely curtain that we are still @ the friendly exchange of opinions anymore. There is nothing new or constructive being contributed on this thread. And sadly enough not even anything to make light of. Good luck to those of you that decide to continue reading.
Originally Posted By jkayjs <<I'm not entirely curtain>> Maybe it is time to bring the curtain down on the thread but I of course meant certain.
Originally Posted By barboy Goof your #88 is the craziest thing I have read in '07--- I think you are paranoid. By the way because of this topic I am going to dig through trash bins to get some personal information on these Disney folk and set up high powered cameras for spying. I had no desire before this thread but now I somehow feel compelled to do this sort of thing.
Originally Posted By danyoung Gotta go with barboy here. If someone is so unbalanced that their behavior is going to be influenced by what's written in a public forum, then they're going to be influenced by the man talking from the talking box in the dashboard of their car or those actor folks who join him every evening in his living room on the big pitcher machine. C'mon, SG, it's simply beyond unbelievable that anyone is going to be pushed into stalking behavior because Spirit identified an executive at a theme park. I say it again - let this one go!
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<SG, I'm in no way a Spirit worshipper.>> Damn, I thought you had an alter with lots of candles and goat blood. <<He'll tell you that we've butted heads many times over the years, and eventually formed a pretty fine online friendship.>> Right back at ya. <<That said, I don't think you realize Spirit's position in the big wide world. I don't fully know what he does for a living, but I know he personally knows a lot of people in entertainment, including within the Disney company. The guy goes to the freakin' Emmy Awards every year - that should give you a hint that we're not talking about some disgruntled Disney executive wannabe who's sitting at home and spewing drivel while he polishes his gun and knife collection. He just doesn't fit any kind of stalker profile that you keep wanting to force him into. Time to let this one go, amigo.>> Thanks again for the support. This is my last post on this thread. If it gets too personal, I'll go to the mods who apparently are willing to let anything go here. But suffice to say, I am not a stalker. If I were a stalker, I wouldn't be stalking any Disney execs (even the very few I truly hate on a personal level) let alone someone I don't know and have any negative feelings toward. This has really gone on to a crazy extent. And I do mean crazy, and I have no desire to take part in it anymore. BTW, aren't you headed to WDW in the near future Danny?
Originally Posted By jonvn "I truly hate on a personal level" Why would you hate people on a personal level like that? Do you know them?
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << Why would you hate people on a personal level like that? >> And then hide behind the argument that you are only interested in the professional aspects of what these people do? That's my whole complaint here -- there is a personal attachment to knowing who these people are and where they are in their career progression. It can be denied until the cows come home, but the evidence building up in every single one of these name-dropping discussion posts ultimately reveals that there are other motives behind just a fan interest in Disney parks. Emotional attachment to people that you have no relationship with is quite disturbing.
Originally Posted By danyoung Crap, SG - pure crap. Is it so impossible to believe that '74 has a personal relationship with some Disney execs? And that some of those relationships are good, while some are bad? You've got an agenda, pure & simple, to prove a motivation that just isn't there.
Originally Posted By idleHands <<The repeated name-dropping and following up on shifts in employment of relatively minor Disney leadership positions is a symptom of underlying behavior. I only bring attention to it now after seeing it for too many times from the same poster. This goes beyond simple "fan" knowledge or interest in single discussion topic.>> You could be referring to Al Lutz and his pleas to "promote" Paul Pressler. But I don't recall Lutz ever being restrained for his writings. And Pressler never became the victim of a targeted attack by a "stalker." You're making wild assumptions and drawing illogical conclusions about Spirit's posts pertaining to WDW managers and execs. <<If you wait until you see direct evidence of personal attacks or harm being done to someone, it is probably too late for this sort of discussion to take place. When there's smoke, there's more than likely fir.>> Douglas or Grand? <<It's great if you have industry connections -- if that's the case, identify yourself and reveal your sources.>> Why not set an example and identify yourself first? You expect Spirit to come out of hiding, while you maintain your anonymity? Hypocrite. <<Emotional attachment to people that you have no relationship with is quite disturbing.>> I guess I missed it, but where exactly did Spirit claim that he didn't personally know any of these people? Who's to say that the so-called "emotional attachment" to these Disney execs doesn't stem from direct personal and/or professional involvement? I've personally known several Disney managers and execs and have desired to take down those individuals who abuse their position and power to the determent of others. And I know scores of others who feel exactly the same as I do, regarding said managers and execs. Spirit's attitude is common amongst those of us who've known these lesser Disney leaders. What's not common is his public admission to that attitude. Very few have the cajones to call these managers and execs on their BS behavior. Spirit isn't lacking in that regard, and I applaud him for it.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Crap, SG - pure crap. Is it so impossible to believe that '74 has a personal relationship with some Disney execs? And that some of those relationships are good, while some are bad? >> I know I said I wouldn't post again on this thread, but a Spirit can change his mind. Yes, once again, Dan is the voice of intelligence and reason (I think I'm choking on those words). As hard as it may be for some here to believe, I do know many execs (some very casually, some close) for the TWDC. Some that work in P&R, some that work for WDI, some that work for the DCL and some that work for ABC/ESPN. And, yes, I'm going to be honest unlike others here and admit there are a few lowlifes that I generally detest and wish nothing but bad for them. I know this may shock you, but just like any other company the WDC has some wonderful people who work for it, and some godawful spirits. But surprisingly to some of you, none of the people I have 'issues' with are currently WDW park execs. Not even close. And if you don't believe I have good relationships with some execs, I wonder where you think I get some of my information that is posted before anyone else or before the company releases it. I guess I must just be a great guesser. Maybe I should head to Vegas and play some numbers. <<You've got an agenda, pure & simple, to prove a motivation that just isn't there.>> His agenda is for me to call him the names I am currently thinking, which will get me in hot water with the powers that be here and then they'll have an excuse to ask me to leave. Even though I've been labeled a mentally unstable stalker (which apparently is fine with the powers) I have no intention of speaking back in kind. The agenda is for me and my information to no longer grace the LP community and that ain't happening. Anyway, I think this will be my last post on this thread but you never know. BTW, Dan, either PM me on the other site or email me (can't recall if you have my email, if not you can get it from Iggy) as I want to ask you something about your trip!
