Originally Posted By ssWEDguy I'm thinking this is a perception thing. If you're a frequent visitor, an AP holder, a CM, a Florida local -- then the same parade day after day might be seen as a negative over time. But if you're the more typical guest visitor -- who comes to the MK once every few years at most -- then the same parade 3 years later can be quite refreshing and even attractive. It becomes a good memory repeated.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Oh, c'mon that was way too easy. A layup. Let's see you shoot one from behind the arc.<< But even the best go for the layup when wide-open. >> but I still feel like parade are a tradition. And parks that don't have them lack that certain classic essential disney feeling.<< But that's my point........ Judged by what?! If I were someone who first visited Disney in 1992. Then yes, I would probably think that Disney is dropping the ball, dropping a service level, if they go dark for afternoon parades. And I can't argue with that. Disney should be consently offering more to the guests, not less. The problem comes in when in leiu of long-term additions they have marketing celebration after marketing celebration with a daytime parade as one of the centerpieces. Then what once was a short-term celebratory parade event, becomes a daily, monthly, annual tradition year after year. After all of these celebrations the idea of a daily parade running in the off-season, running year after year, is a tradition in many people's mind. Which brings me back to my point. Going all the way back to July 17, 1955. A daily parade, running every day, every year, is not a tradition. It's a promotional component to celebrations and events. What makes it a grey area is that we have been stuck on one celebration or another for the last 7 years.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Overall, if you don't like them, don't watch them. Don't ruin or take away the experience for all the rest of us<< Again, it's not an issue of liking or disliking a parade. It's an issue with saying that a daily operating afternoon parade is as much of a tradition as fireworks every night. That it is a neccessity. I think the more the better. I think it's great the fireworks are basically every night. I think offering a parade during the day doesn't hurt anyone. It's just not a integral part of a Disney experience. Maybe it is tradition to many people, it just isn't something that has been done since day 1. People enjoyed the parks before the daytime parade was common. People enjoyed the parks before POTC was created.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Why? I would think it is....<< I hope I answered that o.k. above. >>I don't understand what you mean by this. The CM's and characters IN the parade are doing an all-out performance. << I was speaking in a general sense. It's an old, viewer-saturated parade. On Disney's side, it isn't operated as the event that it was during 100YOM. To go back 20-30 posts ago, it might be better to take a break and come up with something new. It's not like I'm stating something radical. When a guy like Lee is openly talking about lackluster/puzzled crowd response, I don't think my suggestion is too extreme.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>How about a Broadway play that's been performing virtually unchanged for 5 years? (except for cast member changes as people move on) Is that a bad thing? Should a play be updated every year so that repeat playgoers can see something new?<< This goes back to saying what makes something a tradition. Like I said a few posts up, based on what judgement? If it's still a hot-ticket after 5 years and there still is a large base of the market who has never even seen it. Then sure... it should keep playing to a full house. If a majority of it's potential market has seen it multiple times. If a majority of it's potential market now doesn't bother to take free tickets to it. It's time to move on. People who wanted to see this parade have seen it. People who might have missed it will probably like what comes next even more. Because Disney always improves on what they do. Isn't that the logic on why it was o.k to shut down Mr. Toad and Figment?
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>If you're a frequent visitor, an AP holder, a CM, a Florida local -- then the same parade day after day might be seen as a negative over time. But if you're the more typical guest visitor -- who comes to the MK once every few years at most -- then the same parade 3 years later can be quite refreshing and even attractive. It becomes a good memory repeated.<< And I agree with this. The thing is that is not how the company operates with it's attractions or anything else. They are constantly changing things for the sake of change, whether people want to revisit memories or not. The two stateside nightime parades have run for decades. People still want to see them. The original point that was brought up is that: 1) A large chunk of the WDW & DL guests who view the parades visit more than once every 3 years. They are ready for something new. 2) Unlike attractions, entertainment changes much more often. It is the component that keeps the parks fresh. This parade is about to surpass Disneyland's old parade for longevity.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros But the Parade of Stars could not hold a candle to this. At least this one is mildly entertaining after seeing it the first time. I really don't care to see guests in tutus dancing down the parade route. Just watching the little kids bounce as they walk around the park is more entertaining than that.
Originally Posted By CastMemberAshWDWCP Well this is something I am looking forward to when I get down there!
Originally Posted By WALT DISNEY WORLD i hated parade of the stars it was so annoying just like mickeys jamin jungle parade in AK
Originally Posted By leemac <<To go back 20-30 posts ago, it might be better to take a break and come up with something new. It's not like I'm stating something radical. When a guy like Lee is openly talking about lackluster/puzzled crowd response, I don't think my suggestion is too extreme.>> An excellent idea. It wouldn't have a single impact on 16m visitors a year for MK. Save that operational budget and work on something new. The problem is that MK management don't see it that way.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^Yes, Lee. Just another reason why a lot of us feel that MK management needs a thorough housecleaning.
Originally Posted By pixiedust1 <<But if you're the more typical guest visitor -- who comes to the MK once every few years at most -- then the same parade 3 years later can be quite refreshing and even attractive. It becomes a good memory repeated.>> Well put.. I have said that all along in threads on here in the past about many varied topics.. for someone that goes to the park everday..(AP holders) ,the experience is diff then a first time visitor or one that comes once every few years... they leave with fond memories, not bitter feelings..
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^^Blah, blah, blah. The familiarity breeds contempt argument is laughable. If people who are there frequently notice things that are wrong, they are somehow the problem? They shouldn't visit so often? Maybe they should go to Universal? Puh-lease. Having lousy parades overstay their welcome doesn't change reality just because you haven't been there in three years. And if you think that all first-timers are ignorant and leave happy with pixie dust in their heads, you're not seeing the same reality I am. I have witnessed and spoken with many first-timers that are surprised when the parks are dirty, the food lousy, the merchandise cheap, the resorts in disrepair etc ... Despite what Team Disney and its merry band of apologists want you to believe, everyone that walks through their gates isn't a bumpkin.
Originally Posted By pixiedust1 <<Having lousy parades overstay their welcome doesn't change reality just because you haven't been there in three years.>> your comments sound so familiar... I could swear I was chatting with TDLFAN hmmmmmm interesting...
Originally Posted By tonyanton I would be happy if they would just put an end to show stops. They're the main reason I've avoided the MK parades over the last 10 years. I could be wrong, but can someone concur that back in the day a parade was not run daily?
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: Actually they DID put an end to the parade show stops, tonyaton, duckling--at least for the Magic Kingdom in Florida. (Disneyland still has them.) Ever since a cast member was run over and killed by a float a while back, Disney World doesn't do the show stops any longer.
Originally Posted By Labuda " <<Having lousy parades overstay their welcome doesn't change reality just because you haven't been there in three years.>> your comments sound so familiar... I could swear I was chatting with TDLFAN hmmmmmm interesting..." You're not. Spiritof74 and TDLFAN are two different people. They definitely couldn't share clothes. They're friends, but not the same person AT ALL.
Originally Posted By pixiedust1 <<You're not. Spiritof74 and TDLFAN are two different people. They definitely couldn't share clothes. They're friends, but not the same person AT ALL.> Their thoughts and views are so much alike... they could be one and the same.. Just wondering.... <<NEW! tonyanton Sat 7/15/2006 9:29p I would be happy if they would just put an end to show stops. They're the main reason I've avoided the MK parades over the last 10 years. I could be wrong, but can someone concur that back in the day a parade was not run daily? >> I can remember all the way back to 1984 watching the parade on Main St... but I don't know when they first parade started it..
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<You're not. Spiritof74 and TDLFAN are two different people. They definitely couldn't share clothes. They're friends, but not the same person AT ALL.>> That's true. I have much better taste. You'd never catch me in a purple Daisy Duck tee ... well, unless I was celebrating the removal of a Disney exec ;-)
