Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<These are supposed to be the updated MK VI but the MK VI at WDW were built much better and had no concerns of falling apart while in operation.>> The monorails did not fall apart. They were in a collision at 15mph. You can't expect the cab to remain intact after a crash at that speed.
Originally Posted By TMICHAEL ^^^I believe this was in regards to the trains that were shipped to Las Vegas not WDW. The Vegas trains were a mess.
Originally Posted By leobloom Why was Spirit's post 172 removed? I didn't see anything offensive in it.
Originally Posted By sharpc <<I just think the "TIES" are making a PR decision.>> Precisely. There is really no reason for Disney to have done this apart from a PR decision. When you think about it, most of the situations that have people in the front of monorails are normal operating conditions (ie Monorail traveling forward, MAPO engaged etc). This was purely a reflex decision on the part of management that really should not have been made. If the people at Disney really wanted to express their confidence in the monorail system, they should have continued to let people ride in the front in the aftermath of the incident.
Originally Posted By TMICHAEL >>>As a Professional Social Worker I can assure you that its good for people to talk about tragic events. Denying tragedys and not being permitted to talk about them is far more psychologically traumatizing.<<< I can only attribute my own personal experiences with this as I had to go through it three times while working at Disneyland. The public gets a little knowledge of a tragedy and just have to know more. Well, to be kind, its none of their business. Talking about things like this does help but not when it means you'll be talking with people you don't know or are obviously a "looky loo" or "wanna be know it all". The guests don't need to know more about what happened. And the Monorail pilots don't need to go through the inevitable, repeated 'interrogation'.
Originally Posted By -em >>Talking about things like this does help but not when it means you'll be talking with people you don't know or are obviously a "looky loo" or "wanna be know it all". The guests don't need to know more about what happened. And the Monorail pilots don't need to go through the inevitable, repeated 'interrogation'.<< Agreed... Its one thing to talk among friend, family and professionals, its a whole other to talk with those who don't get, want to get or just want to be an )$*^... I got frustrated talking to someone who is still convinced it was caused by firework smoke (5 hours later!) I couldn't imagine having to discuss it with potentially everyone that got put in the cab with me, even if they were well meaning. ____ Top speed is 40 mph (though going down hills you can max at 42-43 before the speed zone changes) As for after 9/11 I believe it was about 4-6 weeks later the ban on guests in the cab lifted -em
Originally Posted By danyoung C'mon, now, it's not unusual or cruel for someone in the general public to want to know more about what's going on. I mean, that's what most of us are doing on this thread. Now, I'm all for the postponing of seating in the front cab, as I agree it would be hard for the drivers to talk about this situation over and over. But I don't think anyone needs to condemn the people who are doing the asking. After all, inquiring about a situation like this is the only way we can show concern.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Would any current or former CM care to answer the question, if this is the first "official" death on WDW Property? We all know that Disney has a history of denying and supressing fatal occurances on their property. With all due respect, WDW isn't in California. Its in Florida a state withe the Disney Company has an awful, awful lot of political clout. For example unlike Iran, the Disney Company has permission to build a nuclear power plant if they want to without any public input or say in the matter. Now lets get back to your statement: <<I can only attribute my own personal experiences with this as I had to go through it three times while working at Disneyland. The public gets a little knowledge of a tragedy and just have to know more. Well, to be kind, its none of their business.>> I have to disagree. It is the publics business to know if unsafe conditions exist in the community, state or region. Where the Disney Company and their Cast Members like it or not a fatality did happen on WDW property. I simply do not understand why the Disney Company and some employees are behaving as if there is something to hide. Unless there really is something to hide.
Originally Posted By sharpc << I simply do not understand why the Disney Company and some employees are behaving as if there is something to hide. Unless there really is something to hide.>> I still don't see it as they have something to hide. I see the cast member's request of the bystander to turn the camera off as the logical response in such a situation. Beyond what was already filmed, nothing else really NEEDED to be filmed for public information.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper I thought they ended the practice (real or rumored) several years back when the Orange and Osceola County Police and Fire personnel started patrolling and responding regularly on property. When I worked there the "no deaths ever on property" stuff was going around but I never actually heard if that was the official party line. The lady that died via ferry propeller and had to be brought up in multiple bags certainly died on property...whether that is what the paperwork stated or not. And, it had to be at least 10 years ago or longer when that death occurred as a result of a younger person (male I think) sitting on the edge of the Contemporary Balcony and falling to his demise when he was swarmed by bees. I think this is more urban legend than anything but I doubt we will get confirmation one way or the other here.
Originally Posted By sjhym33 When I started at Disney in the early 80's there was a policy of no one dies on property. The way that Disney accomplished that was Reedy Creek Fire and Rescue did not pronounce anyone dead. That happened at the hospital which was off property. A matter of symantics.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<I still don't see it as they have something to hide.>> How many deaths have "officially" occured on WDW property? <<I see the cast member's request of the bystander to turn the camera off as the logical response in such a situation.>> Are we talking about the same bystanders who were the first responders to the incident? The first person to call 911 was one of those "bystanders". In fact according to the 911 tapes, the only call from a CM to 911 was to say "my manager told me to call". This CM obviously was not a witness and had very little idea what was going on other than what his manager had told him. Also this is WDW, there just might be a few "bystanders" ( Disney use to call the guests ) standing around with cameras and cell phones. The horror!
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Did you work for Reedy Creek? I guess what I was getting at is that I heard that too but I never saw any evidence that it was, in fact, a company policy. I was always skeptical that it was more rumor than reality.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Would any current or former CM care to answer the question, if this is the first "official" death on WDW Property?>> I believe there have been three previous CM deaths on WDW property. <<Primeval Whirl * On November 27, 2007, a 63-year-old employee died from a brain injury suffered four days earlier when she was hit by a ride vehicle after falling from a restricted area of the ride platform.[46] On May 23, 2008, OSHA fined Walt Disney World US$21,500 and charged the company with five safety violations. The fines were: $15,000 for three serious violations; $7,500 for a still missing handrail that had been previously reported; and $3,000 for not responding to OSHA requests within the requested time period.>> <<Backstage * On February 11, 2004, a 38-year-old employee died when he was accidentally run over by the Beauty and the Beast parade float in a backstage area. The victim was dressed as Pluto at the time.[64] This led OSHA to fine Disney $6,300 for having employees in restricted areas.>> <<Skyway Main article: Skyway (Disney) * On February 14, 1999, a 65-year-old part-time custodian was killed when he fell off the Skyway ride. He was cleaning the Fantasyland Skyway station platform when the ride was accidentally turned on. He was in the path of the ride vehicles, and grabbed a passing gondola in an attempt to save himself. He lost his grip and fell 40 feet, landing in a flower bed near the Dumbo ride. He died shortly after being taken to a local hospital. The Skyway ride, which had been scheduled to be closed before the accident occurred, was permanently closed on November 10, 1999.[68] As a result of the accident, OSHA fined Walt Disney World US$4,500 for violating federal safety codes in that work area.>> Source: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incidents_at_Disney_parks" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...ey_parks</a>
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << I have to disagree. It is the publics business to know if unsafe conditions exist in the community, state or region. Where the Disney Company and their Cast Members like it or not a fatality did happen on WDW property. >> There are better places to figure this out than by a casual conversation with a CM on the monorail platform or in the front of the monorail with a driver. In fact, based on all the erroneous information posted on these boards over the years from conversations with CMs, you are better off not communicating with these folks if you really want to get the truth you are seeking. << I simply do not understand why the Disney Company and some employees are behaving as if there is something to hide. Unless there really is something to hide. >> I don't see evidence than anyone is hiding anything. You are complaining about some perceived lack of access that you might have to information, when you have no need to access that information. There are plenty of competent and independent law enforcement and regulatory agencies conducting an investigation. They will file a report when their investigation is complete. So far, none of these agencies appear to be reporting any coverups or complaining about lack of access to get the information they need.
Originally Posted By danyoung >The lady that died via ferry propeller and had to be brought up in multiple bags certainly died on property...whether that is what the paperwork stated or not.< Where's the info on this? I've never heard of this happening. Not saying it didn't - I'd just like a news link. Thanks.
Originally Posted By sharpc <<>The lady that died via ferry propeller and had to be brought up in multiple bags certainly died on property...whether that is what the paperwork stated or not.< Where's the info on this? I've never heard of this happening. Not saying it didn't - I'd just like a news link. Thanks.>> Hadn't heard of it either.. << I have to disagree. It is the publics business to know if unsafe conditions exist in the community, state or region. Where the Disney Company and their Cast Members like it or not a fatality did happen on WDW property. >> There are better places to figure this out than by a casual conversation with a CM on the monorail platform or in the front of the monorail with a driver. In fact, based on all the erroneous information posted on these boards over the years from conversations with CMs, you are better off not communicating with these folks if you really want to get the truth you are seeking. <<<< I simply do not understand why the Disney Company and some employees are behaving as if there is something to hide. Unless there really is something to hide. >> I don't see evidence than anyone is hiding anything. You are complaining about some perceived lack of access that you might have to information, when you have no need to access that information. There are plenty of competent and independent law enforcement and regulatory agencies conducting an investigation. They will file a report when their investigation is complete. So far, none of these agencies appear to be reporting any coverups or complaining about lack of access to get the information they need.>> Agreed wholeheartedly. **<<I still don't see it as they have something to hide.>> How many deaths have "officially" occured on WDW property?** Well since everyone kind of saw this one... Doesn't seem like a need for cover up.
Originally Posted By -em >>How many deaths have "officially" occured on WDW property?**<< I know of atleast 2 more though both were auto accidents that occurred on property and both within the last 6 months.
Originally Posted By Faline I don't know if anyone has seen this yet or if it accurately portrays the situation, but it is very interesting, nonetheless: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QBZ_S7iAHU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...Z_S7iAHU</a> It's entitled "Disney World Monorail Crash Explained by Pilot" (not the pilot of Pink, but a former pilot)
