Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 Just wondering what I said that was so offensive in post 172? I don't believe anything (obviously) ... I'm sorry sincerely if I brought up the fact that the buses are a disaster waiting to happen and someone here felt that was somehow disrespecful to the young man killed the other day. But I do believe the point is valid and the post should have stayed. One thing had/has nothing to do with the other and I don't believe just because someone died that we should have a moritorium on criticism of TDO. But maybe I'm mistaken? Opinions?
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I wish I had known you were over there. I was manning the CFNews13 Live Truck. But I was in the Pizzaria Uno parking lot across the crossroads entrance from the McD's. I would have popped over to say Hi!.>> Drove by today just as it was about to pour and I did see about three trucks at Uno's ... if I didn't have 'others' with me, I would have certainly stopped by. Maybe we should do an Uno's meet? ;-)
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Why was Spirit's post 172 removed? I didn't see anything offensive in it.>> I'm still wondering about that. And as to the point I am currently reading about guests being a distraction, while I can understand maybe stopping it for a few weeks ... the idea of eliminating it is absurd. No guest riding in the cab of a WDW monorail has ever been injured. Have you watched what a distraction guests are on buses? C'mon, let's be serious. If they eliminate the practice it'll be for PR or because some idiot politician with power threatens the Reedy Creek charter over it.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< Just think if we had a family in the front cab last Sunday Morning,The media would rip WDW apart. And maybe even shut the park down. >>> The media would have shut the park down had a family been in the cab and injured/killed? Really?
Originally Posted By Mr X It certainly would've been worse for the PR wise. Perhaps they'd have had to shut down the monorails for a period of time. But shut the park down? Please.
Originally Posted By danyoung >If they eliminate the practice it'll be for PR or because some idiot politician with power threatens the Reedy Creek charter over it.< I actually think it's excellent PR for now. Let things die down after a couple of weeks and then quietly reinstate the riders.
Originally Posted By sjhym33 The NTSB has said that it looks like the driver of Purple put the train into reverse to try to avoid the oncoming train.
Originally Posted By -em >>The NTSB has said that it looks like the driver of Purple put the train into reverse to try to avoid the oncoming train.<< But was there even power to the beam?
Originally Posted By leobloom More importantly, they said Central's missing presence was a cause in the accident.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <a href="http://www.wesh.com/news/19995299/detail.html" target="_blank">http://www.wesh.com/news/19995...ail.html</a> "The on-duty manager over the Disney monorail was at a Lake Buena Vista restaurant communicating via two-way radio when two trains collided Sunday, two sources told WESH 2 News in exclusive interviews Wednesday."
Originally Posted By -em I heard that and agree to a point but I would also add 2 other groups to the "potentially guilty" list- maintenance who throws the switch (and since the NTSB report stated there was nothing mechanically wrong with the switches) and the cast members on the platform (who I don't hold as responsible but if they had been paying better attention they may have been able to yell to get Austin out of the cab...) Now I *do* have a HUGE issue if the MOD for 'rails was off site having dinner... I wouldn't care if they were in their office eating (cause it has to happen) but OFF SITE?!? -em
Originally Posted By mperry In Post 237 I stated "The media would rip WDW apart. And maybe even shut the park down." had a family of all been what you call we call signal 13(expired)in the Crash on Sunday. At that point It would need to be shut down to find the problem. I love Disney as much as anybody; however safety is nothing to take lightly.(not saying Disney does I have never felt unsafe at a Disney park. Would they ever shut down WDW for that probably not. Some stated how the buses are accident waiting to happen; just think if the monorail was off line for an extended period of time and the buses ( and drivers) had to take up the slack more pressure and more stress what could happen then. Just stating my option, I love Disney and want everyone who goes to Disney to be safe and have a stress free vacation all my comments are out of Love for my 2nd home WDW.
Originally Posted By leobloom Apparently WFTV mentioned that the Manager and the Central Coordinator were at a Denny's when the accident occurred. Chew on that one, will ya? Central tells Pink that the track switch is made and he has clearance...WHILE EATING AT DENNY'S. In a just world, that would bring some heat on Disney.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< Now I *do* have a HUGE issue if the MOD for 'rails was off site having dinner. >>> It would appear from this that the MOD was away from his post. Compare this to Austin Wuennenberg, who died AT his post. Having said that, what is the defined role of Central when giving such clearance? Are they supposed to verify independently that the switch has been moved (and if so, how)? Or, are they just confirming that a) the monorail is supposed to be switching beams at that time and b) that they heard Maintenance confirm that the switch had been made?
Originally Posted By mperry If the Manager Over Trains was Off Property During Crash he needs to be fired; unless like meany other Companies and give employees other task. But when it's job like Manager Over Trains then there attention needs to be only on the trains.
Originally Posted By -em >>Having said that, what is the defined role of Central when giving such clearance? Are they supposed to verify independently that the switch has been moved (and if so, how)? Or, are they just confirming that a) the monorail is supposed to be switching beams at that time and b) that they heard Maintenance confirm that the switch had been made?<< Its more the 2nd one... Central is basically the "God" of the 'rail world telling them where and when to go, coordinates all movements, coordinates with maintenance etc.. The only switch that is actually visible from a platform is the end of the Epcot Spur (in front of the TTC) the start of the Epcot spur (the now infamous one) and the Express/Resort/Barn Spur are all not visible from a platform.
Originally Posted By sharpc Well this is a bad development.. If Central was off site, I blame the accident fully on him, as everyone depends on that person to give the correct information. The whole operation essentially depends on him/her, and they choose to go eat? ... >_< I'm angry.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< Its more the 2nd one... Central is basically the "God" of the 'rail world telling them where and when to go, coordinates all movements, coordinates with maintenance etc.. >>> If that's the case, then them being at Denny's may have had no bearing on the accident, if all Central was doing was confirming that the beam switch should be taking place and that they heard maintenance say on the radio that the switch had been done. So, I'll go back to what I said earlier: it seems to me that there should be some specific, defined procedure that the driver takes after traversing the switch to verify that they are on the right beam, beyond general situational awareness. Does such a procedure exist?
Originally Posted By -em >> If Central was off site, I blame the accident fully on him,<< I don't- Now they do hold a large chunk of responsibility but the same thing would've still happened if he/she would've been at the MK platform or even on the Resort side of the TTC both acceptable places to be (note: not best- acceptable) If the switch was NOT thrown by Maintenance and then communicated as a completed task then *they* are the ones responsible. Word is law in 'rail land.
