Originally Posted By ReelJustice 201 stranded Dalmations foolishly paying rack rate at the Grand Floridian. Where's our monorail we're paying $500 a night for?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 See VBDAD, this is the mindset that I do encounter from DVC members. Not sure if 3disneylocations is one, or if they are being sarcastic here, but this sentiment does pop up from time to time --------------------------------- --- let me ask you this- why make the leap that they ARE a DVC member without knowing ? That is the stuff that bothers me. Are there ANY DVC members that think that way- sure, in 100,000+ families there will be, but not the prevailing thought process after my 20 years of membership and meetings with other members. Again sorry for your DVC experiences- but I have not shared them and I likely have been to more DVC events and around more members. here's a thought though, maybe if more members were arrogant SOB's you seem to run into- being 100,000 families strong they could influence more that goes on than we do today - you know kinda like the AP's from DL who are a strong lobbying group due to their numbers and strong opinions
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Hence the lofty plans forthcoming at the Expo? Appeasement in the form of concept art?!<<< Yup. Let's see how much of it gets done.
Originally Posted By Manfried Monorails are now recognized by all mass transit experts as highly expensive and inefficient systems for moving people. You are better off with buses or two-rail systems. It is too bad there has not been more work done in the area of peoplemover type systems where the vehicle is constantly moving, with an off track area to load and off load ADA types.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer It's stil a unique and dynamic and quintessential feature of the resort. It stays. LOL.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>Monorails are now recognized by all mass transit experts as highly expensive and inefficient systems for moving people.<< Funny because here in Japan, we have the Haneda monorail, the Chiba suspended monorail system, and even the fabulously well operated Disney resort Line at TDR. All very real transport systems used in the real world, as opposed to a system designed to shuttle tourists from point A to point B. I hear NO one complaining about the costs associated with operating the monorail systems in Tokyo, so to me, your claim about the "experts" is bull. Bottom line: Disney does NOT want to spend money to improve their monorail system. But again, look at DL's new monorails. Why CA and not FL?
Originally Posted By Manfried Tokyo has a different culture with regards to mass transit. Of course they don't complain, mass transit is a way of life there. In Florida with everything so spread out, it is very costly. Let's see rain. Lightning. No easy way of emergency egress, which means monorails do not meet ADA codes. I'm not against some kind of mass transit, but the monorails in Florida have gotten expensive. So instead of wishing for the old days what would be better would be to look for another system and trumpet it. You know try to show a positive way of looking forward instead of foaming about it all the time.
Originally Posted By Pentacat >>Monorails are now recognized by all mass transit experts as highly expensive and inefficient systems for moving people.<< Expensive is a relative term. In an environment like WDW how would a two-rail system even work? The number of level crossings alone would be both dangerous and extremely expensive. With the high water table even a partially underground system would probably rival the existing Monorail in cost per mile to construct. A street level light rail system is feasible but I seriously doubt that even the current leadership wants the aesthetic nightmare that an overhead catenary system would cause. Elevated rail makes a lot of sense in a already developed area. Look at the Skytrain system they have in Vancouver, it's not been without some controversy but in most ways it's a huge success. Or look at the system in Dubai....second thought don't look at that one. A good example of more money than sense in that case. Eventually the Monorail issues will have to be addressed. They can't just mothball it and leave all the beams as a testament to corporate mis-management....right?
Originally Posted By Manfried All good points, but if a new system does not address ADA issues for emergency exit, then lookout.
Originally Posted By Bolna <<A street level light rail system is feasible but I seriously doubt that even the current leadership wants the aesthetic nightmare that an overhead catenary system would cause. >> Bombardier has a new catenary free tram: <a href="http://www.bombardier.com/en/transportation/sustainability/technology/primove-catenary-free-operation" target="_blank">http://www.bombardier.com/en/t...peration</a> There is a lot of inovation going on in that sector at the moment, also with regard to energy efficiency. If someone would want to invest in a sustainable transport system for the future, there are solutions out there. Even new monorail trains could get some of the technology to reduce their energy consumption.
Originally Posted By WDWVacationer <<Yup. Let's see how much of it gets done.>> I'd like to believe you, I really would. And I see it happening. But you guys are the only circle saying this... #JustSayin'
Originally Posted By Pentacat That catenary free system is pretty cool. But the cost to remove the existing beams and replace them with LRT as to be higher than just upgrading the in place system. I'm not saying this is a good thing but isn't Disney's system grandfathered so that it does not have to meet those ADA requirements? If so, then it's a moot point from a cost perspective but not morally correct IMHO. That's an interesting thought...if Disney was to make a significant change, like adding new rolling stock, would they be forced to comply with those laws? Could that be yet another reason why they are letting the system get so bad?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I'd like to believe you, I really would. And I see it happening. But you guys are the only circle saying this...<<< So don't believe us, and watch it happen. I won't hold it against you, or anything. #PeopleTakeTheInternetTooSeriously
Originally Posted By WDWVacationer Besides, its sounding now like Disney is playing it VERY safe when it comes to the Parks presentation.
Originally Posted By lazyboy97o Isn't the Red Car Trolley going to feature inductive charging like the Bombardier PRIMOVE.
Originally Posted By Manfried <<I'm not saying this is a good thing but isn't Disney's system grandfathered so that it does not have to meet those ADA requirements?>> No it is not, because the transportation system is technically owned by the Reedy Creek Improvement District, a quasi-governmental agency. Now it works in terms of ADA requirements to board and unload at stations. But if there is any major change, then the full law is applied, which means dealing with emergency exits and stuff.
Originally Posted By lazyboy97o Regardless of its finance issues, the Las Vegas Monorail is a recently built system derived from the Walt Disney World Monorail System. Have they been sued over accessibility?
Originally Posted By CDF1 Just sounds like another measure designed to decrease the use of an expensive transportation system like the monorails in favor of a more inexpensive transportation system like the Disney busses. Since it is really only for a limited number of persons, makes sense to use the more inexpensive and cost-effective means. For guests staying anywhere but the monorail resorts at the MK area, you would expect they would be using busses anyway. For those at the monorail resorts, you would think that they could make sure those guests get the message to head for the busses upon leaving the park.
