Originally Posted By SeventyOne >>Unfortunately there are some spoiled people who want something for nothing.<< Those who purchase admission to a theme park are certainly entitled to expect a ride back to their hotel room/car.
Originally Posted By SeventyOne While I agree with everything being said about the monorail hotels--what about people who drive? When I lived in Daytona, would crash at the All-Stars for a weekend, ALWAYS drove to MK. Not every on-site guest wants to ride the buses. Now those who drive will be told, "take a boat to Poly, then walk down the hidden path."
Originally Posted By ChiMike No Seventy One, they will either be bused back or they will extend the operating hours of the TT&C ferries and keep those moving. Why I believe this is more maintenance than just cost cutting. However, it is no excuse for the inept management that allowed for us to get in this position. These folks are so out of their element they have their own front line employees petitioning them.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>>Unfortunately there are some spoiled people who want something for nothing.<<<< How does this work? Your ticket/room rate includes your transportation. If anything, they should lower prices now!
Originally Posted By Manfried <<Those who purchase admission to a theme park are certainly entitled to expect a ride back to their hotel room/car.>> Sure, as long as they do it within a timely manner.
Originally Posted By danyoung >The policy will coincidentally change when we need to sell tickets to our guests for parties that offer hours and entertainment that we use to offer for free.< Mike, I don't see why there has to be anything sinister about this. They're cutting back service for a free night (which is bad), but then NOT cutting it back for a late night that's a paid event. Makes pretty good sense to me that they'd continue monorail service on the paid nights. Of course I think they should continue to provide service on all late nights, but I do understand the difference. And on another subject, you gotta get your acronyms right - it's the Transportation and Ticket Center, usually referred to as the TTC (not the TT&C, which would be the Transportation Ticket And Center). As always, just tryin' to help . . .
Originally Posted By dshyates But Manfried the parks are still open to resort guests. Are you suggesting they leave and miss out on EMHs?
Originally Posted By lazyboy97o >>Sure, as long as they do it within a timely manner.<< How is staying in the park during Evening Extra Magic Hours not leaving in a timely manner? The park is still open.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<How is staying in the park during Evening Extra Magic Hours not leaving in a timely manner? The park is still open.>> Don't bother. All of us have already brought it up to him.
Originally Posted By ReelJustice <<They're cutting back service for a free night (which is bad), but then NOT cutting it back for a late night that's a paid event>> Tell this to the folks staying at Contemporary, Poly, and GF.
Originally Posted By Bolna Ok this part of the Orlando Sentinel article sounds very logical if you read it at first: >>Because of "Extra Magic Hours" — a key perk that Disney has used to drive occupancy in its roughly two dozen hotels — the Magic Kingdom will on some nights not close until 3 a.m. and will then reopen again at 7 a.m. Disney says it takes 90 minutes for its monorail trains to cycle down at the end of the night and another 90 minutes to restart at the beginning of the day. The result: As little as one hour of downtime for the trains.<< But it does not make sense. For EMH they don't have all 11 trains out. A lot of trains will have been back earlier. So start working on those. And the trains that were out for EMH don't have to go out at 7am, because once again not all 11 trains are needed at that time. So those trains that came in late can be worked on while the early trains already start the new day.
Originally Posted By Bolna <<They're cutting back service for a free night (which is bad), but then NOT cutting it back for a late night that's a paid event.>> The Orlando Sentinel article says that it is not yet decided whether they are going to provide monorail services during MNSSHP and MVMCP.
Originally Posted By dshyates The monorail isn't a "perk" for the monorail resort guests. It is a service they are paying a lot for. Thus why they are more expensive than the other deluxes.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>But it does not make sense. For EMH they don't have all 11 trains out. A lot of trains will have been back earlier. So start working on those. And the trains that were out for EMH don't have to go out at 7am, because once again not all 11 trains are needed at that time. So those trains that came in late can be worked on while the early trains already start the new day.<< Bolna, Your point is well taken. I completely agree, but that doesn't consider that the trains they are running are racking up the operating hours unneedlessly. As those hours accumulate, maintenance then has to spend their limited time and resources on service.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Mike, I don't see why there has to be anything sinister about this.<< Dan, nice to talk to you again. >>They're cutting back service for a free night (which is bad), but then NOT cutting it back for a late night that's a paid event. Makes pretty good sense to me that they'd continue monorail service on the paid nights.<< So then their motivations aren't purely related to maintenance. That's my point. A guest in a monorail resort is captured revenue, the sales of these tickets are not. I simply find it interesting when maintenance time takes priority and when it does not. Draw your own conclusion. Otherwise I agree, the less they affect the entire guest population with their Barney Fife mismanagement practices the better. >>And on another subject, you gotta get your acronyms right - it's the Transportation and Ticket Center, usually referred to as the TTC (not the TT&C, which would be the Transportation Ticket And Center). As always, just tryin' to help . . .<< Thanks Dan. I guess I am rusty. Sure I know it's TTC or T&TC, and I know that transportation comes first, I guess I just have been typing to fast on my mobile device. Considering I know what a fan you are of acronyms, you have my apology. Sorry!
Originally Posted By dshyates Running the monorails when people are in the parks is needless. Then why run them at all?
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<They're cutting back service for a free night>> Since when is getting into the park and paying to stay at a resort free?
Originally Posted By Bolna <<Your point is well taken. I completely agree, but that doesn't consider that the trains they are running are racking up the operating hours unneedlessly. As those hours accumulate, maintenance then has to spend their limited time and resources on service.>> Sorry, I am not sure what you are trying to say. I thought that we are talking about two hours on evening EMH days at the MK and Epcot.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Running the monorails when people are in the parks is needless. Then why run them at all?<< That's not what I am saying AT ALL Dshyates. AT ALL. What I am saying is that it is silly when they are still running 3 trains on EPCOT at 10:00p. Or running 3 trains on the Resort Line at 2:00a. Its appears to me to be nothing but sloppy operations. Who knows, maybe it is so difficult to move trains around after the crash, that they don't draw down capacity as quickly as they use to.
Originally Posted By Bolna Another thing which just doesn't sound right from that Orlando Sentinel piece: <<Disney said the Magic Kingdom had extended hours for 26 of the 30 days in April.>> Wow, you would think that really must be a problem. But it is just a great example how easy you can use numbers to paint your pictures. First of all April should ring a bell: Easter! And we all know one of the busiest time at WDW (I think I have heard the second busiest after Christmas, but I am sure others have more insight into that). Of course that would be the time when the MK would extend it hours. And then what does it say: "extended hours" - what exactly does that mean. Well, first of all it would include MORNING and EVENING EMH! But who knows, they might also include days when the regular closing time of the MK was later than what they consider usual. Can mean all sorts of things. I just counted 6 days with evening EMH at the MK for April 2011. Even if they added a few additional ones, they definitely did not add 20! And October 2011 only has 4 days with evening EMH at the MK.
