Originally Posted By mele Yes, I understand dry areas but most people can still go to towns that aren't dry. I'm not saying these laws aren't stupid, I am just saying that I'm not sure the other is better.
Originally Posted By DAR First looking at the video yes it's disturbing no arguments there and hopefully Fox will do the right thing and not have her back as a guest. Even though unlike many of you I recogonize Fox News' right to exist. But when I see the following statement: <<Whenever there is a Republican administration the rascists, religious zealots, and right-wing nut cases feel emboldened and ramp up their antics.>> It just amazes me that people can get away with saying that. Let's see I vote mostly Republican and none of that describes who I am or the majority of Repbulicans. Quite frankly I'm appalled my such wording and demand you apologize.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan As outrageous as this woman's remark was, it's equally remarkable that the host's response was a chummy "Wow, tell us how ya really feel" rather than bringing things to a screeching halt on the spot and calling her on that remark.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Yes, 2oony, I had the same reaction. My exact reaction: when she said what she said, I had the same muppet mouth cmpaley alluded to. Open-mouthed shock. When he said what he said, it just opened wider. I didn't recognize him, but I take it he was a Fox host?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 This was one of the comments, by the way. Most were taking the woman to task, but predictably there were some rebuttals, backing her up. My favorite was this, which made me laugh and shake my head simultaneously at the stupendous stupidity: "Democrats are anti American evil. Vote for the Dems if you want to speak Muslim in Spanish" Speak Muslim in Spanish! It's like Beau never left.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> Let's see I vote mostly Republican and none of that describes who I am or the majority of Repbulicans. << It wasn't my comment, but it's not as off-base as you may think. Just where do you think the christian right zealots and right-wing nut cases have any influence? The democratic party? Look again.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>And the first theocratic civil war would be Fundies vs mormon.<< Folloed by Fundies vs. Catholic.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< "Democrats are anti American evil. Vote for the Dems if you want to speak Muslim in Spanish" >>> Yet, a great many viewers of Fox still believe that they're getting "fair and balanced" content. Amazing.
Originally Posted By DAR <<It wasn't my comment, but it's not as off-base as you may think. Just where do you think the christian right zealots and right-wing nut cases have any influence? The democratic party? Look again. >> Fine you want to generalize. The communist, left wing, hate American groups are all part of the Democratic party.
Originally Posted By X-san ***Yes, I understand dry areas but most people can still go to towns that aren't dry. I'm not saying these laws aren't stupid, I am just saying that I'm not sure the other is better.*** What if there became a dry state? Assuming all towns have the ability to "go dry", what's to prevent every town and city in a particular state from doing so? At at that point, aren't those people imposing their religious beliefs on others? Many can't afford to travel out of state on a regular basis to buy alcohol after all (especially with todays' gas prices!).
Originally Posted By Elderp What if no one wanted to sell alcohol? Should shop owners be forced to sell it?
Originally Posted By X-san ***What if no one wanted to sell alcohol? Should shop owners be forced to sell it?*** Let's put this another way, Elder. What if no one wanted to sell drugs that helped AIDS patients. Should pharmacy owners be forced to sell them?
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< What if no one wanted to sell alcohol? Should shop owners be forced to sell it? >>> That's certainly not the case in any dry area in Texas. That is, being "dry" means that business are prohibited from holding a liquor (and/or beer/wine) license. There's no situation where any business in a wet area is forced to serve alcohol. And I would imagine that such a business would exist in just about any area where it is allowed, as there is bound to be at least *some* demand even if a particular religion dominates the area and its members abstain. The only situation that I'm aware of in the US where anyone is required to serve alcohol is in Nevada, where it's a requirement for a new unrestricted gaming license that you have bar on premise (in addition to a 24/7 restaurant and hotel rooms). But then again, Nevada is a special and unusual case in a great many ways.
Originally Posted By X-san As far as the question "what if noone wanted to sell it", I think that's a bit of a narrow way to look at it. Of course, when you're talking about mom and pop, single owner types of stores they can sell (or not sell) whatever they want, and I'm sure there are plenty of places like that in Utah for example. But beyond that, getting into the bigger companies and corporations out there, it's irrelevant whether or not "they" want to sell it. They will, as long as someone wants to buy it and they aren't getting harmed for doing so by law or vocal protest or whatever. Corporations don't have morals, they have balance sheets.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>What if no one wanted to sell alcohol? Should shop owners be forced to sell it?<< There are a lot of mom and pop stores in latino communities that don't sell condoms, cigarettes or beer right here in California.
Originally Posted By dshyates FOX news Liz Trotta's apology Copy and paste that^^^ into the YouTube search box. "I'm so sorry...lame....." I'm buying it. I bet she really is sorry she said it. Really, really sorry.
Originally Posted By mele <<Many can't afford to travel out of state on a regular basis to buy alcohol after all (especially with todays' gas prices!).>> I don't think people are entitled to live close to a liquor store or entitled to be able to afford to travel to town with liquor. I understand your point, I don't agree with dry towns at all and certainly wouldn't live in one but comparing liquor to medication isn't quite the same thing. There are pharmacies all over who deny women the Morning After pill based on their religious beliefs. I absolutely think they should be fired. I don't think a pharmacy should be forced to carry any drug in my town because there are 3 pharmacies within walking distance of my house. I might feel differently if I lived in a town that only had one pharmacy. I think denying medication to someone is really wrong. Denying alcohol to someone is merely annoying.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< FOX news Liz Trotta's apology >>> She comes of as being, well, a witch.
