Originally Posted By X-san ***I don't think people are entitled to live close to a liquor store or entitled to be able to afford to travel to town with liquor.*** Sure, but as I said my point was what if we were talking an entire state? In other words at what point would someone elses' religious mores unfairly affect the rest of us living in a supposedly "free" country. If the Mormons gain control of Utah completely and ban alcohol entirely, along with (hypothetically speaking here) the sale of coffee, coca-cola and condoms...when do the rights of the NON-Mormon residents of Utah come into play. Again, I do realize this is all hypothetical, but that's the larger freedom issue that you have to consider when you think about "unimportant" stuff like pool closings on Sundays and no liquor sales on the sabbath and that kind of stuff. It has no place in a TRULY free country, but I've said all along that America these days pretty much just talks the talks when it comes to freedom. There are much freer places on Earth, and interestingly MOST of them are not heavily religious (wow...is there a connection here!?).
Originally Posted By mele I understand your point and tend to believe the same as you. I was just pointing out that having to get some sort of ID saying that you're not of a certain religion just to get alcohol isn't a BETTER system of denying alcohol than liquor stores being closed on Sunday. Just commenting on SD's example. (I'm still curious how many people in America would say they weren't Christians if it meant they had to do it to get alcohol. My guess is a LOT.) For the life of me, I can't understand why people opposed to alcohol or swimming on Saturday, etc just DON'T DO those things but feel driven to stop others from enjoying them. That stuff bugs the heck out of me.
Originally Posted By dshyates Don'tcha know how empty the pews would be if'n you could git a cold brew at 9am Sun.? The good Lord knows we won't have any left after Sat. nite. That's why he made it illegal to buy a 40oz. before church.
Originally Posted By X-san I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that the situation SuperDry described really didn't involve "proving your religion" so much as there were things that a foreigner could do that a native could not. I've no idea how that works if someone like me were to move there for an extended period. As for whether it's a "better" system or not, I'd say if you are a morning drinker who really wants some beer on a Sunday at 7am, the Dubai method is preferable. ;p
Originally Posted By DyGDisney What religion prohibits swimming on Saturday? I've never heard that one. What's the reasoning??
Originally Posted By DyGDisney Oh yeah, duh!!! Wait, what's wrong with getting pregnant on Saturday??
Originally Posted By DyGDisney She said she was sincere and sincerely apologized if she offended anyone, sincerely.....
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34775,00.html" target="_blank">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0...,00.html</a> I'd never heard of her until now. Below is her Fox bio. What's wrong with it? "Liz Trotta is the former New York bureau chief of The Washington Times and is a contributor for FOX News Channel. The author of Fighting for Air: In the Trenches with Television News, Trotta was the first woman to cover a war for broadcast news. She began her career in journalism in 1965 working for the NBC affiliate in New York and won network recognition by taking on tough assignments including covering the Vietnam War and 1984 presidential candidate, George McGovern. Trotta has worked for Hillman Periodicals; Inter-Catholic Press Agency; Long Island Press; Chicago Tribune; Newsday; NBC and CBS. She has taught Journalism at Stern College of Yeshiva University. The winner of three Emmy awards and two Overseas Press Club awards, Trotta is a graduate of Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism."
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< (I'm still curious how many people in America would say they weren't Christians if it meant they had to do it to get alcohol. My guess is a LOT.) >>> That's definitely a hypothetical, as most interpretations of Christianity doesn't prohibit the consumption of alcohol. Certainly, the largest one, the Catholic Church, doesn't have a problem with it. <<< For the life of me, I can't understand why people opposed to alcohol or swimming on Saturday, etc just DON'T DO those things but feel driven to stop others from enjoying them. That stuff bugs the heck out of me. >>> And that was exactly my point. My original post was in response to someone that said that if we had a Christian theocracy in America, it would be as bad as things are in the Middle East. My point is that in some ways, we already have laws that are imposed on everyone through government that are based on religious beliefs including upon non-believers, yet there are some progressive countries in the Middle East that don't have any problem with people that have different beliefs acting as they want, even where Islam is the official religion of the state (as is the case in the United Arab Emirates). <<< I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that the situation SuperDry described really didn't involve "proving your religion" so much as there were things that a foreigner could do that a native could not. I've no idea how that works if someone like me were to move there for an extended period. >>> The situation in Dubai is actually quite interesting. For bars and restaurants, alcohol service is only allowed in venues that are part of a hotel, and although on paper they're only for hotel guests, it's widely ignored. In fact, it's my understanding that the nightclub scene does a brisk business from customers from neighboring countries where such places are illegal. It's kind of like the Las Vegas of the Middle East: What goes on in Dubai, stays in Dubai. When I was there, nobody asked to see my passport or to prove that I was staying in the hotel. The same is true if you live there and want to go to a bar, restaurant, or nightclub. But, if you want to purchase beer/wine/liquor at a liquor store to take home, that's when the permit comes into play. You must get the permit from the police, and Muslims aren't eligible. If you're a foreigner, I think it's just a matter of saying you're not Muslim. An interesting system for sure.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< Liz Trotta is the former New York bureau chief of The Washington Times and is a contributor for FOX News Channel. >>> Ah, she apparently upgraded from the Moonie newspaper to the noise machine's flagship TV network. I guess that's a promotion?
Originally Posted By cmpaley >><<< (I'm still curious how many people in America would say they weren't Christians if it meant they had to do it to get alcohol. My guess is a LOT.) >>> That's definitely a hypothetical, as most interpretations of Christianity doesn't prohibit the consumption of alcohol. Certainly, the largest one, the Catholic Church, doesn't have a problem with it.<< And considering we use wine (alcoholic wine, not grape juice) in our most sacred of ceremonies, the Holy Mass...
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Ah, she apparently upgraded from the Moonie newspaper to the noise machine's flagship TV network. I guess that's a promotion?" Who ran in '84? It wasn't McGovern.
Originally Posted By cmpaley I'm lovin' some of the comments left on You Tube about her. Good! She should be fired and blackballed.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder She won't be fired. This is the network that lionizes Ollie North.
Originally Posted By DAR While she's being rightfully taken to task for her comments. The left gets to make films like this: <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0853096/" target="_blank">http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0853096/</a>
