Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Please don't throw a churro at me for saying this, but let's remove the CoP carefully from the MK. Let's move it to the Walt Disney Family museum in San Francisco, and restore it to it's 1964 glory. Then, people can still visit the attraction, it will be in the capable hands of the museum staff, the father will have his hand back, and Cousin Orville can have his privacy." I couldn't agree more. One of the problems I see with all of the Magic Kingdoms, particularly WDW's and TDL's, is that attraction lineups are getting rather stale. Most attractions benefit from periodic upgrades (Star Tours, Space Mountain, Pirates, etc.), while other things just need to go eventually, and this is particularly true of theatrical shows and film based attractions. No matter how important CoP is to Walt Disney's vision of the future, it's high time it moved to Yesterland.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<Let's move it to the Walt Disney Family museum in San Francisco, and restore it to it's 1964 glory.>> Every time I read this asinine statement, I want to scream. WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT IT??? WDFM occupies a very small portion of the Presidio Main Post, which is still managed by the US National Park Service. WDFM leases the buildings in the Presidio that they occupy. There isn't any land available that CoP can be installed on.
Originally Posted By RobinsonCrusoeEsq Gawrsh, this is a friendly little place, this Laughin' Place, ain't it? Here's an idea. Let's put it back in New York. It was created for the more sophisticated New York audience anyway. <CHURRO SHIELDS UP!>
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb It's really a shame there is no feasible way to move CoP to the family museum. To be restored and displayed in a smaller venue is FAR better than letting it molder and fall to pieces in Florida.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Here's a thought. Why not let GE purchase the attraction and install it at their US regional headquarters for PR purposes, given that GE was the original sponsor at the NYWF64/65? Heaven knows they could use some good PR, given that they didn't pay any US Federal taxes and have the albatross of the Fukushima nuclear reactor disaster hanging around their corporate necks.
Originally Posted By standor COP is an attraction that should never leave. It is history. The young people of future generations should know how people lived in previous decades. Everytime I see it, I remember how life was when I was younger. There should be more historic attractions instead of all the latest comic characters.
Originally Posted By RobinsonCrusoeEsq Skinner- Now you're talking. That is exactly what Johnson Wax did with their world's fair exhibit. The Johnson Wax Rondele was moved to their Racine, Wisconsin headquarters, and still plays today. Standor- The show IS history. The young people of future generations WILL see the show if they move it someplace else. If they leave it where it is, it will decay further and finally close. Then NO ONE will see it. I have also come up with a few more potential locations: Marceline, MO The Carolwood Pacific Historical Society The Smithsonian Institution
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb Ideally, I agree w/ post 27. But if WDW won't take care of it, what good does it do anyone to have it there?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer While CoP belongs in the MK.... ...I'd love to see it in EPCOT. ... but having it installed in NYC would be cool, too. I'd rather have it duplicated, to achieve that effect, though. [/Fanboy Dreaming]
Originally Posted By Boca Chica EPCOT, you're preachin' to the choir. I said it should go into Communicore back in '93 when they were updating the Carousel, and opening Innoventions. I still have a churro scar from when I posted it.
Originally Posted By RobinsonCrusoeEsq ^^^^^ok, ok, I messed up....I posted #31 from my wife's computer! Aloha!
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub WHat does it take to have a building designated Historical Status that can not be destroyed? I would think this should be worthy of that. I have overheard families laughing and talking about the Carousel of Progress as being one of the Must See attractions for all of the children in the family. Children apparently love this. Come on Disney take care of it or tear it down for more executive parking!
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Here's a thought. Why not let GE purchase the attraction and install it at their US regional headquarters for PR purposes, given that GE was the original sponsor at the NYWF64/65?" The Smithsonian in DC would be a good place for it.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>EPCOT, you're preachin' to the choir. I said it should go into Communicore back in '93 when they were updating the Carousel, and opening Innoventions. I still have a churro scar from when I posted it.<<< It just makes too much sense. But it's unlikely that they'd only move it a few miles.
Originally Posted By RobinsonCrusoeEsq ^^Actually, if memory serves, it was discussed, but turned down. The main problem was that GE just didn't want anything to do with it because it was such an antique. With Horizons up the block, they felt it would send a mixed message. Here in Horizons, we are General Electric...taking you into Century 3. Over in Communicore, it takes only FIVE HOURS to do the wash! Imagine! In fact, the father in Horizons is supposed to be the father in the Carousel, right? Well, GE REALLY hated that. These big corporations like GE, GM, and Eastman Kodak are not amusement park companies. They felt that when their commercial messages would reach a particular shelf-life, it was time to reinvent that message. Each decade presented a different mentality, and they wanted the rides changed constantly. The problem is, X Atencio, Marc Davis, Buddy Baker, Bob Gurr, Marty Sklar, and (insert your favorite Legend) are no longer with the company. So you get Journey Into No Imagination, Universe of Energy Under New Management, and Stitch's Great Mistake.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 These big corporations like GE, GM, and Eastman Kodak are not amusement park companies ------ yet Siemen's is somehow ? Different philospohies - as they showcase their brand name every night
Originally Posted By DlandDug A few trims 'n ends... >>I have been worried about this show since they changed out "Now Is The Time."<< Then there are those of us who were pleased that they restored "Great Big Beautiful Tomorrow!" And, for what it's worth, the song is entitled "The Best Time of Your Life." <a href="http://waltdatedworld.bravepages.com/3feaf060.jpg" target="_blank">http://waltdatedworld.bravepag...f060.jpg</a> Song here: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZbz20I3KOM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...z20I3KOM</a> As for moving the attraction elsewhere, bear in mind that it needs a mighty big footprint-- you cannot "scale down" the show building, as each stage occupies a specific amount of space. One could reconfigure the arrangement and lose the moving seats, I suppose, but that would seriously impact the intended effect of the "Carrousel." The WDFM has enough on their plate with their current museum. There are also strictures on the historic property they occupy. I can assure you that the Carolwood Pacific Historic Society hasn't the resources to tackle something like this. (They are in the midst of a capital campaign to preserve Walt's Combine Car right now.) I cannot imagine that GE would want to do this-- even though I agree that it would be a great gesture and a nice fit with their current public message. (Which I believe is still, "GE: We Bring Good Things to Life.") One other possibility: D23. There have been some very low key rumors about a Disney Studio Museum, which would be run by Archives with D23 as the public face. (D23 is actually run by Archives, all under Corporate Communications.) Walt's offices were removed from the Disneyland Opera House last year, and D23 took custody. They have also been rather aggressively expanding the Archives, with an eye toward more props and costumes-- all items which would ideally be displayed in some sort of public venue. Of course, this is also dependent on how D23's financial situation plays out. But putting a complete theme park attraction in a Studio museum, particularly one that was so closely identified with Walt himself, would seem to be a good fit.
Originally Posted By DlandDug Oh! And the Smithsonian-- absolutely. They already have some vehicles and other artifacts. There was also some (apparently) serious talk about moving the Tiki Room there a few years back. Something like CoP could be fit beautifully into one of the buildings on the mall, and would be a major, major draw.
Originally Posted By RobinsonCrusoeEsq ^Dad, I didn't want to include Siemens because it's a global conglomerate with very diverse businesses. But GM is in the car business. Kodak was about film. They had messages in these shows. Talk about branding? My parents mostly drove foreign cars all my life. My first new car was a Chevrolet because since I was an adolescent, I loved World of Motion. When I got married and moved into our house, I wanted GE appliances. I got them too. (What a mistake! Sorry, wrong boards for that.) I don't think the sponsors wanted us to run out and buy the products because we rode the ride. They wanted us to get the warm fuzzies when we saw their logos. "We bring good things to life!" Siemens is different because they don't "make" anything like chocolate milk. They make semiconductors, fuses, and nylon. But don't worry. When they DO introduce their chocolate milk, everyone will say, "Oh sure, Siemens. Great milk, great ride in Epcot too" By the way, I think Vero Beach resort is the best-kept secret in DVC too, besides Hilton Head and Williamsburg. (Great, now everyone knows about Williamsburg! Shhh!)
