Originally Posted By utahjosh Yes, the baby backpack analogy is awesome if baby backpacks = homosexual marriage. That's where we disagree.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Questioning their teachings and validating them in your own heart with study and prayer, however, IS encouraged.> So you're "encouraged" to "question their teachings," but only if you ultimately come to the same conclusions they did? Sorry, but that sounds like a gamed system to me.
Originally Posted By X-san ***<Having two mommies isn't going to screw up any kids.> In the long run I believe it will screw up our whole society.*** And I believe that in the long run screwed up cults and religions will screw up our whole society... Oh, wait... Yeah, that already happened. Why not give the gays a chance to make it better, eh?
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf "My post 158 had nothing to do with homosexuality and the issue at hand, but only to argue your logic." I get that josh and I know what you were trying to say. However, you can't start with a negative premise like cancer. That skews the argument heavily toward the negative. Try testing your logic by substitutung "cancer" with something positive like "healthy food" and see how it comes out.
Originally Posted By X-san ***But I don't know why I'm here arguing with some of you. I know you won't change your mind, and I won't either.*** Perhaps because your own believes aren't as set in stone as you might think, and so you're engaging in some conversation about things? Nothing wrong with that, bro. If you're believes are strong and true, the conversations won't change anything. And if not...better you had the talks no? All told, it's a GOOD idea to have conversations with others (particularly others who aren't in your "group") in order to either strengthen or at least further realize your beliefs. Otherwise, how strong are they, really?
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<In the long run I believe it will screw up our whole society.>> Got any evidence to back that up - or is it just a "feeling"?? <<I know you won't change your mind, and I won't either.>> Why not? When confronted with evidence that contradicts what you think is true, one should consider that their position might not be correct and reconsider.
Originally Posted By X-san ***Yes, the baby backpack analogy is awesome if baby backpacks = homosexual marriage. That's where we disagree.*** What do you disagree with? I'm not following you here. He offered a "neutral" point of view, why can't you understand that?
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf "Yes, the baby backpack analogy is awesome if baby backpacks = homosexual marriage. That's where we disagree." You do realize that saying this confirms my assertion that you were saying cancer = homosexual marriage, right? Just checkin'....
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <I just think we need to do what's best for society, and to me, what's best is mom+dad+kids.> This logic has never worked for me, either. Even IF one accepts the premise that mom and dad is always better than 2 dads or 2 moms (which I don't)... I think almost all of us would agree that DL is the best park in the country. But let's take a family who lives in rural Indiana. They just barely scrape by - at the end of the month there's almost nothing left. They'd love to go to DL, but they just can't afford it. Once a year, though, they save up enough for a day trip to Holiday World. It's a nice park (I've been there). Is it the best park there is? No. But it's a GOOD park. So should this family never, ever go to Holiday World, a good park, just because they can't go to DL, the best park? And, more to the point of this thread, should anyone actually try to INTERFERE with them going to Holiday World, just because they can't go to DL? <In the long run I believe it will screw up our whole society.> Well then, you're just wrong. Every study I've ever seen has concluded that being raised by gay parents has no harmful effects on kids.
Originally Posted By X-san ***So you're "encouraged" to "question their teachings," but only if you ultimately come to the same conclusions they did? Sorry, but that sounds like a gamed system to me.*** Yeah. No duh (community standards suck, but I guess you all know what I MEANT to write right?). All religions work like that. Frankly, all I can see is a bunch of suckers, when I read threads like this. They can't look beyond myopic world views, even if it is right in front of their faces. The future is now, and the haters will fight it to the very death.
Originally Posted By dshyates "In the long run I believe it will screw up our whole society." I believe that religion will distroy the planet. I have heard of "Holy Wars" but very little about "Gay Wars". I truely see no difference between the christians and the muslims. Not one iota. Both are the "truth", and their followers think NOTHING of hurting non-believers to force their faith on the world.
Originally Posted By X-san ***Well then, you're just wrong. Every study I've ever seen has concluded that being raised by gay parents has no harmful effects on kids.*** How DARE you interrupt his prejudiced, hate filled viewpoint with facts!!??
Originally Posted By utahjosh <Perhaps because your own believes aren't as set in stone as you might think, and so you're engaging in some conversation about things?> I know you might hope that, but they really are set in stone. I know without a doubt that God lives, and the the church I belong to is led by Him.
Originally Posted By utahjosh I'm filled with hate. My ideas have to be wrong, cause you guys think so.
Originally Posted By X-san You don't know that without a doubt. You think so, and that's fine. But you don't "know" it anymore than I "know" that little green men live on the moon. Why not keep the conversation grounded in reality Josh. You claim to "know" these facts, but then again hardcore Catholic CMPaley could tell you exactly how wrong you are because HE "knows without a doubt" that his ideas are correct, along with hardcore Jewish poster he who must not be named, and hardcore Baptist RC Rollins, and so on and so forth. How stupid does that sound, when you really spell it out...Josh?
Originally Posted By X-san Seems like my posts are getting erased now with prejudice) another one bites the dust, I guess...looks like you won, Josh. Someday, maybe you'll take other views into account. Hopefully...
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf Post 189 - great analogy, Dabob! And very befitting of Laughing Place. I know what you anti-homosexuals here are thinking so I'll say it for you: "Yeah, we don't care if they go to Holiday World as long as they don't go on the rides." ;-)
Originally Posted By Dabob2 X, I appreciate your passion, but I still will say there's no need to brand Josh as a "hater." Believe me, I've faced my share of real hate, and real haters, and I know what it looks like and sounds like. And Josh, as far as I can see, is not one of them. Misguided, maybe. But no need to throw around the "h" word.
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf "I know you might hope that, but they really are set in stone. I know without a doubt that God lives, and the the church I belong to is led by Him." And I know without a doubt that your church was founded by men, is led by men, and is susceptible to the same shortcomings of men as any other man-led institution is. The image of god in any religion is only a reflection of what men want their god to look like. So your god looks the way you want him to. You're absolutely free to believe that. It's when people tell other people that the way their god is is the right way that trouble invariably begins. It has always been so.
