Originally Posted By EighthDwarf Also from the LDS website: "The Church’s stand on homosexual relations provides another arena where we offend the devil. I expect that the statement of the First Presidency and the Twelve against homosexual marriages will continue to be assaulted. Satan is only interested in our misery, which he promotes by trying to persuade men and women to act contrary to God’s plan." <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=f318118dd536c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=c31c226fecfdb010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1" target="_blank">http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/in...ideNav=1</a> So we are clearly in league with the devil everyone. Anyone got his phone number? I lost it when I was swimming back over from the river Styx.
Originally Posted By utahjosh Yep. All stuff that fights against God is influenced by the Devil. Doesn't mean there aren't good people not realizing that they are promoting the devil's plans.
Originally Posted By utahjosh From the same article referenced in post 241: "Alternatives to the legal and loving marriage between a man and a woman are helping to unravel the fabric of human society. I am sure this is pleasing to the devil. The fabric I refer to is the family. These so-called alternative life-styles must not be accepted as right, because they frustrate God’s commandment for a life-giving union of male and female within a legal marriage as stated in Genesis. If practiced by all adults, these life-styles would mean the end of the human family."
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>If practiced by all adults, these life-styles would mean the end of the human family.<< Yes, because we might all catch the gayness and then we won't be able to procreate. Honestly, Josh, you must be able to step back and discern the hysteria in a comment that suggests what is at stake here is the chance that everyone will turn gay eventually if same-sex marriages are legalized? I mean, that really goes farther than most of the stuff I've ever read by opponents. That's just nuts.
Originally Posted By dshyates "Alternatives to the legal and loving marriage between a man and a woman are helping to unravel the fabric of human society. I am sure this is pleasing to the devil." This is all just rhetoric. Its not proof of anything except bigotry. This is a lie and fosters more bigotry across society. We are involved in a Holy War in more than one country and its gays that are the problem. Josh, you do realize that the 9/11 hijackers, due to their religious beliefs, believed in their hearts that they were doing good for society. Just like you are doing here. Americans had a different take on their actions.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<If practiced by all adults, these life-styles would mean the end of the human family.>> And here's where the whole thing breaks down - somehow they make the jump from gay people getting married to "all adults". And it just doesn't make sense at all - can't you see that? One more time - straight people will still get married and have babies even if we allow gay marriage. There have been gay people on this earth since the beginning, and yet there are still plenty of straight people to make babies, and always will be. So, how does your churches argument make any sense?
Originally Posted By dshyates Josh is terrified that if the gov't sanctions gay marriage he won't like boobies anymore.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan "if practiced by all adults" -- LOL, I'm sorry, but that is just about the dopiest thing I have ever read in regards to this topic, and that's saying something. I'm just stunned by it. Do LDS church leaders truly believe that everyone will suddenly decide to turn gay? That that's even the most remote of possibilities? That any of us in favor of allowing gay marriage is taking orders from Beelzebub? But seriously, to say that somehow everyone will turn gay and stop procreating... I mean, it's just the most ridiculous, out-there comment to make on the subject. I can't even imagine most gay marriage opponents being able to get on board with that concept.
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf "If practiced by all adults, these life-styles would mean the end of the human family" Same thing would be true if everyone acted like Jesus. He didn't have any kids either and yet He told everyone to follow after him. I think He knew not everyone would.
Originally Posted By utahjosh <Do LDS church leaders truly believe that everyone will suddenly decide to turn gay? > No. But the statment is still TRUE. <That any of us in favor of allowing gay marriage is taking orders from Beelzebub?> Not necessarily.
Originally Posted By utahjosh <[Jesus] didn't have any kids either and yet He told everyone to follow after him.> No proof to that one.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>But the statment is still TRUE.<< Josh, buddy, come on. Some people have 18 kids. If practiced by all adults, we would run out of food and resources in no time. But of course, not everyone takes the "be fruitful and multiply" line to such extremes, so we're okay.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <If practiced by all adults, these life-styles would mean the end of the human family."> I'm glad they included this statement, actually, because it just shows how out of touch with reality they are. It's only "true" on the level of "if all adults became infertile tomorrow, it would mean the end of the human family." True on the basest level - but it's not going to happen, so how true is it actually in the real world? Nor will all adults ever be gay. It's not in nature. Somewhere around 8-10% of people are gay. There's a predictable percentage of gorillas that are gay, swans that are gay, and so on (it's the case in many animal species, including all primates). That's nature. But so is the fact that 90% or so will be straight. More than enough to procreate. We've gone from 3 billion people on the planet to 6 billion plus and counting just in my lifetime. It took about 30 years. In 30 more years will we be at 12 billion? Ya'll are doing a fine job at the procreating thing (arguably too fine a job) - you really don't need us adding to it. We'd just like to be treated equally in civil society, that's all.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "No. But the statment is still TRUE." From one of my recent posts: What I can't wrap my mind around is how the Mormons can claim their religion is the "one truth", then in the next breath condemn those who are trying to live their own truth. I've mentioned this in other threads. Who decides which truth prevails?
Originally Posted By dshyates "No. But the statment is still TRUE." OK, I'll give you that if everyone was gay it would be bad for mankind. But what does that have to do with the world we live in? At or around 10% is all we will ever get. No one is going to turn gay and enter inro a same sex marriage simply because it is legal. Josh, your straight, would passing a law allowing gays to marry temp you/ You sound very fearful of just that sort of thing happening. I'm all for your church yelling at it members against the evils of homosexuality. More power to you. But stop trying to force your beliefs on me. And God help the poor mormon gays having to listen how evil they are and that their existence will be the downfall of civilization. I guess the church's goal is to get them to blow their brains out. End of problem. And don't try and tell me it doesn't happen. The CDC reports that 33% of gay youth attempt suicide, four times the rate of heterosexual youth. And telling them God doesn't approve of them doesn't help.
Originally Posted By dshyates "The CDC reports that 33% of gay youth attempt suicide, four times the rate of heterosexual youth. And telling them God doesn't approve of them doesn't help." To quote myself. But while you claim not trying to harm people, the rhetoric causes people to kill themselves. It is mindbogglingly hurtful.
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf Some more interesting quotes from Mormon leaders: "The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent, and then, of course, they have been persuaded by some of the arguments that have been put forth....We who teach in the Church certainly must have our feet on the ground and not to be led astray by the philosophies of men on this subject...." "He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage. That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for [Homosexuals] that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, "First we pity, then endure, then embrace".... Note, I substituted the word "Negroes" with "Homosexuals." This was written 50 years ago, and yet the argument still sounds the same - they just have a different target. Anyway, more interesting quotes at the link: <a href="http://www.lds-mormon.com/racism.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.lds-mormon.com/racism.shtml</a>
Originally Posted By PetesDraggin This is all just another example of how we manipulate god to fit our desires. If there is a god and he is as unfair and bigoted as some of his followers, I hope I never get to meet him. Of course, there's always the chance that he's a sick freak who likes to mess with us by telling different religions different things. Either way, I'm kind of getting tired of him (or her).
