Originally Posted By Inspector 57 nancyan, if you're sincerely concerned about your grandson, stop wishing for him to meet a sweet girl for a minute and check out: <a href="http://www.pflag.org/" target="_blank">http://www.pflag.org/</a>
Originally Posted By Mrs Nurmi <<Does this bring back memories for anyone? Believe it or not I forget the name, but anyone else remember a grandmother poster from Ohio or somewhere who ran rampant here a few years back?>> Toad something - Bring Back toad? I was just thinking the exact same thing.
Originally Posted By jonvn "FWIW, I think there is room here for an interesting debate as to whether motive should factor into sentencing." 1) Ignore people who are simply wasting everyone's time. 2) In reference to the question above, yes, it should be a factor in sentencing. It always has been, because that is in the interest of justice. You want a punishment that is given someone to fit a crime. You don't want to have someone unduly punished for something, nor not punished enough based on the behavior they engaged in. This is why we have varying degrees of criminality to the law. Why is this necessary? Because sometimes people violate the law and there may be extenuating circumstances, and it's simply not reasonable that one type of crime be given the same degree of punishment as another, although similar crime. Things aren't just black and white up or down. There are many grey areas involved, and the law tries to take that into account. That's why you have laws such as "use a gun, go to prison." You can rob a bank, but if you do it with a gun, you get more time tacked on. It is the same crime, with the same outcome, but the extra circumstance makes it so that it is a bigger offense. This is why, also, when you get convicted of even first degree murder, you can either be sentenced to death or life in prison. All these things come into play when a case is prosecuted or a sentence is announced. That's how the law works, and has always worked.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Huh! So RoadTrip, DAR, dbdad55 and I all live in the greater Dayton/Hudson/Marshall Field's area? <<- wonders about possible mini-Meet someday < sore subject description wise here as the Macy's signs are going up everywhere onthe Fields stores. My grandma was a designer for Fields for almost 40 years -- we do not recognize macy's -- but we do recognize Fields as you accurately described it. but yes it appears us ( and a few more )line the roads from Minneapolis to Chicago
Originally Posted By vbdad55 < but anyone else remember a grandmother poster from Ohio or somewhere who ran rampant here a few years back?< Toad -- oh yeah ! But her posts were at a whole different level -- mainly nasty --
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^^^^^^^ if you were wondering if this was the same person- although I doubt it-- bring up auto labor unions, or buying a Toyota vs. a GM product...that would start the firestorm
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder I can't believe I forgot the name Toad. Oh well, I do have a doctor's appointment next Friday. Probably not one and the same, but remember, Toad started out rather benignly as well.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I do remember that, and I also remember it took very little to set her off on a tirade...so I agree, we'd know shortly. I remember some of the names I and others were called by Toad - the ADMIN people were kept busy...LOL !
Originally Posted By nancyan What is wrong with a sweet nice girl. why does he act like this when he knows it hurts us so much. Our good lord wants us to have a good life and multiply with his blessings. We tried to raise him the best we could but i guess we are loosing him to that dreadful way of life. We love him that way but what he is doing is an obomiation. We are worried that we wont have great grand children to.
Originally Posted By nancyan my good people why are you thinking i am snakes and toads i am not a witch who casts spells remember witchcraft is the work of the Devil
Originally Posted By DAR <<my good people why are you thinking i am snakes and toads i am not a witch who casts spells remember witchcraft is the work of the Devil>> These were the names of former posters, not you.
Originally Posted By DAR <<What is wrong with a sweet nice girl. why does he act like this when he knows it hurts us so much.>> There's nothing wrong with a nice sweet girl, but sometimes that doesn't happen. And if your grandson's happiness should be the most important thing.
Originally Posted By mele <<why does he act like this when he knows it hurts us so much.>> I doubt he is doing it to hurt you. If he's gay, he's gay. You don't really want him to pretend to love a woman and create a family with her that is almost doomed to end in divorce? Do you really want him to marry a woman just to make his family happy and in the process make himself extremely unhappy? Do you think God would want him to marry a woman and have sex with a woman he doesn't love? Would God want him to pretend to love his wife, to lie to his wife, to trick her? I honestly can't believe that God wants people to live lies and to bring children right into the middle of them. And it's posts like #349 that make you seem suspicious.
Originally Posted By nancyan yes God wants to bless us if we follow his word. His word is written that gays are sining. How can we bring more people in the word if people are acting like gays. one man and one woman can give God more children. My grandson has been taught to do the right things but he keeps making mistakes. our family needs more prayers and God bless all of you
Originally Posted By RoadTrip God's word was written down and interpreted by humans who make mistakes. There are many things in the Bible that would not be considered acceptable today. I don't think God would want us judging people over something they have no more choice over than the color of their hair or skin. God made them the way they are and God loves them the way they are.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<FWIW, I think there is room here for an interesting debate as to whether motive should factor into sentencing. Should Matthew Shephard's killers have received harsher punishments for killing him because he was gay than they would have for killing him for his wallet?>> Inspector, this is the point I have been making. Matthew Shephard is dead regardless of what caused his killers to kill him. It makes no difference if they killed him because they hated gays or they wanted to rob him so they killed him. Either way it's the same result, just a different motive. The motive doesn't matter, the crime matters. My other point is that hate is hate. If someone hates republicans so much they would kill one, how is that any different from someone who hates blacks, jews or gays? My point about some idiot killing Rush because they hated him for being a talk show host is valid. That killer would not get extra jail time for a hate crime where a person who kills Cristopher Lowell would possibly get a hate crime sentence. There is no consistency here. To watch people try and justify this lack of fairness is very telling.
Originally Posted By nancyan but how can we make more children to lead this great country without husband and wife together as one and the things i have heard that those type of people do to echother is a bomination to God. how can we get more children if every one is a little gay
Originally Posted By Dabob2 That's not a rational worry. 90% or more of people will always be straight - always have been, always will be. You might as well wonder where we'll get all the dark haired people in the world if everyone was blonde. Everybody's not blonde, nor will they be.
