Originally Posted By mele <<But you can't be a hundred percent certain.>> The jury was pretty convinced.
Originally Posted By mele <<You must not have read the rest of the thread >> LOL! YOU are saying that to me? That's right, I'M the one who never reads what other people post. LOL! Good one!
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<This has nothing to do with the First Amendment. Nothing. It has every thing to do with acting on feelings of hate.>> Sorry, wrong answer. It has everything to do with people like you deciding a certain type of hate is not acceptable. You want to make hating someone a crime. You want to put them in jail longer. That goes against the first ammendment big time. But in typical liberal fashion you ignore the constitution when it is not helping to push your liberal PC views. A rich white guy would still be alive if he wasn't killed for his gold watch. Hate crime against rich white people? Nope, that wouldn't fit into the PC world of liberals and what THEY deem offensive thought or feelings. After all, the rich white guy was most likely a republican bigot so he got what he deserved, he gets no bonus jail time for his attacker. Hate crime laws make no logical sense at all, none.
Originally Posted By barboy "hate crime enhancements have bipartisan support." That doesn't mean it is high quality policy.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<And Beau aren't you in the WSOP?>> Got knocked out yesterday when I flopped 3 sevens and another guy flopped 3 tens. Ouch!! I wanted to last a LOT longer than 4 hrs. It was quite a scene though. 8500 people total with 4 days of first rounds. Vegas rules!
Originally Posted By DAR <<The jury was pretty convinced.>> I realize the jury was pretty convinced. But what I referring to the uncertainty of everyday life.
Originally Posted By FaMulan Sorry, wrong answer. It has everything to do with people like you deciding a certain type of hate is not acceptable. You want to make hating someone a crime. You want to put them in jail longer. That goes against the first ammendment big time. But in typical liberal fashion you ignore the constitution when it is not helping to push your liberal PC views.<< Hate thought is not illegal. On can have all the hateful, angry thoughts they care to have. If they act on those thoughts, then that's against the law. >>A rich white guy would still be alive if he wasn't killed for his gold watch. Hate crime against rich white people?<< Nope, crime of opportunity most likely. Killed for his property, not who he was as a person.The perpetrators motive, I can pretty much guarantee, was to get the gold so he could sell it. The motive was not to scare rich white men into hiding their gold watches.
Originally Posted By barboy "An absolutely repugnant human being and a complete waste of life." Wow!! Shooba you too might be charged with hateful dialog.
Originally Posted By barboy Beau, I think that too many people "misunderestimate" you. Hey, next time you're in the Bay Area let me know and we'll get a beer. Be warned though because I just might have two flags: A US flag to burn(my ultra liberal side to free speech) and a confederate flag to raise(my untra conservative side to free speech).
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Sure mele, I was excited an innocent woman was killed by a crazed muslim just so I could come on some message board and declare victory in a bet RT will never pay.>> Get a clue Beau. I have not responded to your taunts because they cheapened the subject at hand. But... 1) I never took you up on your bet. 2) I'm not sure I would consider it an act of terrorism. It was a deranged person shooting up a place. "Going Postal" in other words. I'm not sure that qualifies as terrorism any more than burning down an abortion clinic qualifies, and you outright excluded that from the definition. Which is why I declined to bet. As usual you always define the terms in a way such that no one other than yourself can win. I didn't need any of that action.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Hey, next time you're in the Bay Area let me know and we'll get a beer.>> I would like that. In fact, I will be in Fairfield this Friday night. We are going to Marineworld Vallejo on Saturday then on to Tahoe. If you are anywhere close lets get that beer!
Originally Posted By Beaumandy RT, it was terrorism and I could care less about collecting on the bet. Just don't try and tell me that it's anybodys guess who will set off the next terror attack. We know who will be responsible.. the religion of peace.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Hate thought is not illegal. On can have all the hateful, angry thoughts they care to have. If they act on those thoughts, then that's against the law. >> Exactly Fa. But where do people get off saying the attacker gets extra jail time because of a certain brand of hate? It's nonsense.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Hey Kar2oonMan, are you going to be in Merced this weekend? Let's go grab a beer. We can talk about women, hate crimes, poker, and other manly things.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<We can talk about women, hate crimes, poker, and other manly things.>> Personally I tend to prefer women who aren't TOO manly, but to each his own.
Originally Posted By Shooba >>Hey, next time you're in the Bay Area let me know and we'll get a beer.<< Don't forget to also grab a beer with the KKK the next time they're in town.
Originally Posted By barboy Unfortunately Beau, I am scheduled to visit a friend in Santa Monica Thurs-- Wed. How about next time?
Originally Posted By Beaumandy You got it Barboy. I get down there all the time. We would have a good time.
Originally Posted By DAR <<Hey Kar2oonMan, are you going to be in Merced this weekend? Let's go grab a beer. We can talk about women, hate crimes, poker, and other manly things.>> <<Don't forget to also grab a beer with the KKK the next time they're in town.>> I find it amazing that you guys preach to Beau about how terrible he is, yet you guys still find ways to sink to the same level.
