Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<We can talk about women, hate crimes, poker, and other manly things.>> This actually would be a fun range of topics to discuss over a beer or 9.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Hey Kar2oonMan, are you going to be in Merced this weekend? Let's go grab a beer. We can talk about women, hate crimes, poker, and other manly things.< getting a Hans & Franz flashback from SNL
Originally Posted By DAR <<We can talk about women, hate crimes, poker, and other manly things>> Actually if you take out the hate crimes part, these are some of the things I talk about with my friends.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Exactly Fa. But where do people get off saying the attacker gets extra jail time because of a certain brand of hate? It's nonsense." The crime is acting because of that hate, but apparently you're incapable of understanding that. False machismo can do that to you.
Originally Posted By Shooba >>I find it amazing that you guys preach to Beau about how terrible he is, yet you guys still find ways to sink to the same level.<< I stand by the comment. To read what he posts and be willing to meet him, to me is the equivalent of being willing to meet a KKK member in real life. Who cares what someone is like when you meet them, if they wear a white robe part of the time or spew hate on a website part of the time. Anyone who would willingly meet that person for a drink is repugnant in my book.
Originally Posted By Shooba >>^^^Glad to see stand by that tolerance you preach about.<< I preach tolerance? I don't tolerate everything. He says that anyone who disagrees with his politics hates their country, he says that anyone who disagrees with the war in Iraq supports terrorism, and he says that people who get a post-secondary education are stupid. Why would I "tolerate" that? If he gets to say those things, then I will absolutely say that he is a racist, a bigot, and dumb as a bag of rocks. No joke.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Well, I was joking around when I was asking Kar2oonMan out for a beer. Everyone knows that I won't go out with Kar2oonMan after the way he treated me on our last date.
Originally Posted By DAR <<If he gets to say those things, then I will absolutely say that he is a racist, a bigot, and dumb as a bag of rocks. No joke.>> But my point is you're bringing yourself down to his level. Shooba you seem like a pretty smart guy so why would you do that? <<Everyone knows that I won't go out with Kar2oonMan after the way he treated me on our last date.>> I'm shocked, I would have thought him to be a perfect gentleman.
Originally Posted By jonvn "We know what the law now says" Actually, we know what the law has said for several centuries, and how motive and intent have been applied in criminal prosecutions. And this "hate crime" stuff is no different than anything else that has gone on. Flail away at at all you want, you're simply in the wrong regarding how the law operates.
Originally Posted By barboy You know Shooba Beau has integrity and I respect that-- he doesn't change his ideology to passify others no matter how many on this LP rise up and at least challenge him and at most outright mock him. There have been far more times where I disagree with his stance than agree. We don't agree on: abortion, Bush, Patriot Act, Iraq, gay marriage(yes, I am for the availability of homosexual marriage now), capital punishment and drug laws. But more important than one's political alignment is character and I'll bet that he is a good and very decent person in "real life". So if you find me repugnant just for wanting to grab a beer with another human I don't know what to tell you other than sorry that you feel that way. It just seems a bit silly to hold that against me.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I'm shocked, I would have thought him to be a perfect gentleman. << I was. It's just Jim's liberal spin of events that paint me as the bad guy. It's why Jim doesn't win elections.
Originally Posted By Shooba >>But more important than one's political alignment is character and I'll bet that he is a good and very decent person in "real life".<< Political alignment has NOTHING to do with it. All he does is belittle and insult people who aren't exactly like him. Who care what he's like in "real life", I know all I need to know about him. Like I said, there are probably KKK members who are swell guys if you meet with them for a drink, but why would you?
Originally Posted By jonvn "But more important than one's political alignment is character and I'll bet that he is a good and very decent person in "real life"." Yes, the name calling is a real good indicator of that.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<The crime is acting because of that hate, but apparently you're incapable of understanding that. False machismo can do that to you.>> I understand it perfectly well. You seem to think someone should get additional jail time because they are a bigot. Just admit it and we can move on. You and your merry band of liberals want to make it a crime to hate someone. You want to sentence someone based on what you THINK they were thinking.... thought police.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<I stand by the comment. To read what he posts and be willing to meet him, to me is the equivalent of being willing to meet a KKK member in real life. >> Wow Shooba, just personal attack after personal attack. Now I am a KKK member? LOL You do a great job at proving my point about liberals who insist on demonizing people who don't agree with your lame, failed world view. Next time just debate the point at hand instead of acting like a child. I can handle the put downs but only if the person saying these things has a take on the subject at hand. You and a few others on here never have a point, just no tolerance for opposing views.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy << He says that anyone who disagrees with his politics hates their country, he says that anyone who disagrees with the war in Iraq supports terrorism, and he says that people who get a post-secondary education are stupid. >> Liberals do hate the country in many cases and they do support the terrorists by appeasing them and insisting terrorists get their own terrorist bill of rights. And yes, many people with fancy degrees are dumb as rocks out in the real world. I stnad by these statements because they are flat out true. Why not prove me wrong instead of launching into liberal name calling where you bust out the few words you learned like bigot, racist, homophobe..
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "I understand it perfectly well. You seem to think someone should get additional jail time because they are a bigot. Just admit it and we can move on." What a joke. Since we're being begged by others to take you at face value, there's no other way to look at it. You're apparently not smart enough to understand what's going on here, and so therefore continue once again to embarrass yourself. You really should have gotten that degree.
