Originally Posted By bean i really do not see the issue with dead end in DCA. There is really only two dead end in the whole park, The TOT courtyard and FFF. All the other areas have a way in and out of the land without having to back track. Paradise pier has two entrance, Grizzley peak and condor flats also have two entrances. Same with the Warf. Th problem with the Hollywood backlot district is that in order to goin and out of that land people need to walk thru the main plaza. When there is somekind of parade going on it could be quite a challenge. That is the reason that it has been considered several times to eventually open up a pathway from the courtyard to the farm area/ future Carland. Every other Disney park has similiar dea ends. Some of them many more than DCA. As for FFF i do not see any reason for it to be bulldozed. Every Disney park needs an area where toddlers and parents can have a good time. Disneyland has toontown The Magic Kingdom has the poorly executed poohs play area DAK has Mickey minnie camp MGM has the Honey i shrunk the kids play area Sadly Epcot turned its "The Sea" pavilion into a kids play spot. Disneyland paris studio has added toon studios Tokyo has Mermaid lagoon and of course DCA has FFF. I am actually glad that FFF falls in the category of detail and creativity as Paris studios toon studio area and TDS Mermaid lagoon area. Three distinct areas that were developed much better than anythging WDW did with poohs playground. At least those three places have themed attractions instead of just a slide and foam flooring
Originally Posted By jaybee Removing the dead end for FFF is a big issue that any parent can spot a mile away. I think it's a worthwhile idea to connect the ToT path through there as it would allow for a more natural flow to the park. I've often wondered if they could move the more popular pieces of FFF over to the Redwood Creek Challenge area and shoehorn in the Ladybug Boogie and Heimlich's attractions on the south end of the area. I hate the the bumper car attraction and don't see any need to keep that. That allows the kids to roam Flicks and RCCT without any worries of kids wandering off. The only issue with this idea is that the It's Tough to be a Bug attraction would really have no themed "land" to tie into once FFF is moved and the Farm is replaced.
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf Seriously, who lets their toddlers wander around in a dead end area of an amusement park unsepervised??? Nobody. I never did. Parents usually stay with their kids - dead end or not. Having a dead end only serves to make it more difficult to get around. While it is true there are dead end areas in other parks, isn't it also true that they are not smack dab in the middle of the park? Getting from ToT to Screamin' is quite a hike and I think they need to develop an alternate route. And FFF is the slum that needs to be bulldozed to make it happen. (keep ITTBAB though!)
Originally Posted By bean i understand your point but have you ever stood in areas like toontown and fff? Adults do tend to get a little sloppy while their children are having fun playing in the dots puddle park or over by Donalds boat and goofy's house. The area gives parents with small children to relax and enjoy themselves. The last thing you need is to make a path that would cut right thru the land so that rowdy teenagers could have an easy access to run from one coaster in Paradise pier to TOT. FFF does not take that much land and yet it adds a themed area for young children to enjoy. Besides you are forgetting that right behind FFF is another 25 acres of unused expansion land. There is no need to destroy a toddler friendly area just to save people a few feet of walking (especially since many people could use the walking to help them loose some weight) once the park expands out into timon the park will eventually have a walkway that connects the east side of the park with the west side of the park.
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster It is not up to theme park designers to ensure that parents watch their children. A dead-end only serves the 1% of parents who shouldn't be breeding in the first place. A route needs to epen up from TOT to the back of the park and no alleged social responsiblility can excuse WDI's design flaws in doing so.
Originally Posted By NJ AP I would agree with the dead end making it a safe area for children to roam theory if a CM was at the entrance / exit handing out matching wrist bands and making sure no child leaves without an adult (a.k.a. Chuck E. Cheese). I don't let my five year old roam free at Disney. A possible exception is we sit on the benches by the playground next to Goofy's house while she plays. I can't imagine allowing a tot to roam around ALL of Toon Town unsupervised. FFF is a huge area, too. Much too big for a small child to roam around unsupervised. I'd also like a way to get from Toon Town to Pooh without having to either get on the Train or walk through most of the crowd. Would be helpful on crowded days.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<A test track type Cars ride really encapsulates DCA's underlying question of theme. Either it is a great idea, since it could be placed behind the facade of the movie's California Motor Speedway, which looks cool and very California. Or its a terrible idea because it has nothing to do with the California experience. Yes, there are race tracks in California. Just like there are bugs in California. But race cars aren't a "California" story.>> I think you need to "think outside the box." A TT type attraction doesn't have to be about race cars. It isn't in Orlando, so it doesn't have to be in Anaheim either.
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf I'm not really sure TT really fits in DCA either. Why not remove Autopia and Motor Boat Cruise and place a space-age themed version of TT there? I think DCA should really try to stick to (and enhance) the California theming they already have.
Originally Posted By Pirate Mickey >>I say bulldoze all the right side of Paradise Pier<< I say bulldoze all of DCA and start over and make it a real Disney park worth going to see.
Originally Posted By GMLSKIS I say leave it alone. It's a hell of a park right. A close second to Disneyland as the best amusement park in California. You people need to stop and really understand how lucky we are to have BOTH. DCA is awesome as is.
Originally Posted By dlkozy IMHO, DCA needs to grab you from the minute you enter the turnstiles-right now all you see are a big long bank of bathrooms as you enter! As soon as you enter DL's tunnel, MS is there and you become immersed quickly. That never happens with DCA-you enter there and-nothin' happens!
Originally Posted By BlueOhanaTerror >>>As soon as you enter DL's tunnel, MS is there and you become immersed quickly. That never happens with DCA-you enter there and-nothin' happens!<<< Well there IS that stinky burnt-coffeebean smell, that makes you want to gag...
Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<I say leave it alone. It's a hell of a park right.>> Sorry, but if more people felt this way, this park wouldn't need any changes now, but the fact most people don't spend much time there not to mention the overwelming majority just avoids it than I think it needs something more and the sooner the BETTER!!
Originally Posted By disneywatcher >> DCA is awesome as is. << You certainly should agree with me that it's a cop-out for anyone to claim that DCA is DCA mainly because of factors related to money, money, money. Combine bad taste with the dynamics of people not wanting to disagree with the boss, manager, supervisor or even select numbers of colleagues in the workplace, and it's a miracle that DCA didn't end up an even bigger pile of junk, with even fewer Disney-ized touches here and there.
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster DCA could use more high quality attractions, of course, and certain areas could benefit from more immersive theming. But the place is hardly a "pile of junk" by any sane person's standards. There are some really truly beautiful parts of the park that would be at home in ANY Disney park. There are some great attractions. I have fun there. So do most people who go there. Those who don't have fun in a theme park probably have problems that Disney, even at its best, can't solve.
Originally Posted By Pirate Mickey Maybe some day in the near or far future DCA will become an awesome park. We are waiting.
Originally Posted By BlueOhanaTerror >>>DCA could use more high quality attractions, of course, and certain areas could benefit from more immersive theming. But the place is hardly a "pile of junk" by any sane person's standards.<<< Target has lots of nice merchandise, and it's orderly and bright and pleasant. But I go there to save money on deodorant, toothpaste, and toilet paper. I don't linger at Target. Saks or Nordstroms, however, is far more beguiling. Shopping in one of those places becomes an experience, and I'll linger. At 60+bucks a day, I better be getting something closer to Saks in a theme park.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^ I like that comparison. I said recently on the WDW board that after visiting DL and DLP in one month and then seeing the MK, I felt like I had gone from Saks and Neiman Marcus to Super WalMart.
