Originally Posted By patrickegan The park does have some to offer, the GRR and pacific trails area are nice. It just seems as most of the areas are just minimums. The whole Monterey area lacks anything more then a tour of the Tortilla factory and a photo op. The boardwalk area has stunk from day one, and after seeing the potato head thing I’m not holding out much hope for toy story mania. There are other nice areas in DCA but there is also much room for improvement.
Originally Posted By jonvn "I don't linger at Target." I do. It's a fun store to look around at, if you are at a nice one. One near us has a starbucks and a pizza hut in it. We usually grab a bite to eat there. I don't like going to Saks, there is nothing there for me to get. Nordstrom's is ok. I like their stuff a bit better. The point is there are all kinds of things in this world. There is good and bad in everything, and people who can only see things in the extreme miss out on everything.
Originally Posted By BlueOhanaTerror I don't think there's anything "extreme" about finding Target utilitarian and expedient for its purpose, but hardly satisfying for any purposes beyond that. I can find Starbucks and Pizza anywhere. I don't find that exceptional. Disney should be exceptional. They shouldn't be delivering Northern Bathroom Tissue for six bucks a mega-pak. They should be delivering a wonderful, rapturous environment with exceptional, immersive detail. They do that quite well at many of their other parks, and in SOME parts of DCA. In quite a few other parts, they might as well be selling breakfast bars and extra large family bags of Doritos. Clearly, the company has awakened to this, as these issues are being remedied with forethought and significant outlay of money, over the next 6 to 8 years.
Originally Posted By jonvn "I don't think there's anything "extreme" about finding Target utilitarian" I didn't mean that as being extreme. Target is utilitarian. However, what is extreme is calling DCA a failure, or that it is horrible, and all that. That's just not really the case. As you said, some good, some not so good. The things that need to be fixed or changed hopefully will be fixed, and for the better.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<However, what is extreme is calling DCA a failure, or that it is horrible, and all that.>> What I would call extreme is trying to convince people who have made their mind up that is a great park, that its not. Too each his own.
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster I don't think anyone is trying to convince anyone that DCA is a "great park". I just think that some of us are trying to make the case that the place isn't the festering boil on the face of the resort that some people make it out to be. It's a fun park with some major problems. Nobody who enjoys the place says otherwise.
Originally Posted By jonvn "What I would call extreme is trying to convince people who have made their mind up that is a great park, that its not." Nobody is doing that.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< It's a fun park with some major problems. Nobody who enjoys the place says otherwise. >>> Actually, several people here have spent years doing exactly that.
Originally Posted By BlueOhanaTerror >>>Nothing is ever perfect.<<< One of the most common excuses for mediocrity.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^Ain't that the sad truth. Why aim for perfection when mediocrity is so much easier to achieve? Then, we're all successes!
Originally Posted By jonvn No. Nothing is ever perfect is the truth. Everything has faults. There simply was no way Disney was going to build a perfect park, they have never done so yet. They've all had their own specific types of problems. How they go about fixing them is what happens next after initial construction. And when they make changes and additions? Those are never perfect, either.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^Of course nothing is ever perfect. But that should be the goal, always. To shoot for lower standards in anything creative is just sad. But it does ensure success. Because if you try not to be perfect, rest assured, you're 100% assured of succeeding. And DCA was a lot further from park perfection at opening than any other park they've ever built in the US by a long margin. And the folks who built it knew they were aiming for a lot lower level when they started. So, from that standpoint, DCA was a smashing success from Day 1.
Originally Posted By BlueOhanaTerror Actually there are some perfect things. Some things are perfectly designed for their purposes. It's the aspiration of such - regardless of the actual outcome - that distinguishes something of mediocrity from something of quality and polish. Disney's game plan with DCA from the start was compromised by people who were ceding to the mediocre. This isn't conjecture - it's known by plenty of people associated with the company throughout its inception, development, and execution and following. That it DOES have components that are quite finely finished, is amazing, given how hobbled the project was from day one. And a testament to those within WDI who perservered against a myriad of obstacles and close-minded idiots who kept dumbing down the process.
Originally Posted By BlueOhanaTerror Wow, Spirit, I basically just rewrote what you did in the post before me. oops.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^That's OK, I've often said there's more than one eloquent way to say the same thing
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster I still think that opening-day DCA was better than opening-day Disney-MGM by a fairly wide margin.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I got to visit MGM soon after it opened and found the park to be fun and informative. It demonstrated creativity and originality. DCA is now. I was talking last night with friends who are CMs at WDW. We all agreed that DCA makes about as much sense as people from France traveling to EPCOT and spending their entire time at the France Pavallion. The problem with DCA is its themeing. You can put those rides anywhere and with any themeing. The choice to build a park which is suppose to reflect some of the worst themeing California has to offer is sad, unimaginative and uninspiring. DCA takes me no where. Sure DL needed a second gate, but why oh why open a second gate that poorly reflects other fairly close by areas in California and in the case of the studios, within an hours drive of Anaheim.
