Originally Posted By barboy ///When this happens, all 5 Disney Resorts would have a version of TSMM./// ---- Disney homogeneity at its worst. -time to find a new hobby/passion
Originally Posted By Malin *** I thought that was a rather odd response - she can't be trying to hide that MM is being considered for Shanghai, could she? That would seem too obvious and too obviously wrong for several reasons to be possible. *** It sounds like she was just responding to the question with a open answer. I think that the Hong Kong Govement would be very upset to spend all this money on a new attraction only for the concept to be later sold on to Shanghai. Personally I am very excited about the expansion for Hong Kong Disneyland, but at the same time I don't need this as a reason to visit Hong Kong. The city is the main attraction, with Disneyland being a small part of the Hong Kong experience.
Originally Posted By leemac <<That reminded me that I overheard an Imagineer being asked if Mystic Manor was going to remain a HKDL exclusive attraction, and her reaction was as if she knew something that she wasn't allowed to share, and ended up answering the question by saying that lots of things that start out new eventually find their way into another park.>> I can answer that one - Mystic Manor is exclusive to HKDL for an undisclosed period. You won't see it emerging in another Disney theme park for now - I'd be very surprised if it ever materialized anywhere as it is regarded as this park's Haunted Mansion.
Originally Posted By Mr X The real question then, is is it comparable to the original Haunted Mansion or not??
Originally Posted By leemac ^^ In what way? Story-wise? No. Mystic Manor will have a lot of technical trickery to it rather than using Pepper's Ghost AAs. The attraction will probably feel a lot more intimate too.
Originally Posted By Roger55 From the presentations I saw, I do not think there is any sort of similarities to the other HMs. There is a feel that is more close to ToT at TDS. In fact, there WILL be crates and materials in MM that have been shipped there from Harrison Hightower. I was told to keep an eye out for them when MM opens.
Originally Posted By leemac Mystic Manor involves the paranormal and therefore is HKDL's version of Haunted Mansion. Whether it is closer in execution to TDS' Tower of Terror is completely irrelevant. Each MK can only handle one attraction of this ilk and therefore it is highly unlikely that ToT will materialize in the first gate at HKDLR. Also Carsland uses Test Track technology. The only enhancements are for maintenance improvements - otherwise they are near identical.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Hey guys check out the Disney and more website: <a href="http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/</a> They have a room-by-room description and artwork if you guys dont mind being spoiled. Yeah it looks reeeeaally good! I like that they put they showed the best of the expansion, but it sucks it will take the longest to get built .
Originally Posted By grlweatswchpstx Did anyone ever play Hero's quest for Glory? I think it looks remarkably like Erzmus's manor... esp. if they put a talking gargoyle on top of the entrance.. Just a little less pixelated.
Originally Posted By karlg From what I was told by an Imagineer, while the ride system in concept is similar to Hunny Hut, it is in fact uses a different technology based on much newer "industrial" technology that has been adapted to theme park use. Its much more cost effective to leverage the R&D and reliability work done for industry. The cost and reliability, I would guess is a reason that the HH technology did not spread past Tokyo. My hope is that this works out and this ride system be used in other new attractions. It has a lot of advantages over the the Omnimovers in that the cars can go their own separate ways like they have a mind of their own which can help with the story telling and they can go off-line to support people with disabilities without stopping the attraction. The one thing that is downside is that they seem to only work on relatively flat surfaces (going uphill would use of the batteries fast), maybe they could have a escalator for them to add elevation. While I love HM, I think it is great that they didn't just re-tread it again.
Originally Posted By barboy ///The one thing that is downside is that they seem to only work on relatively flat surfaces/// If Mystic Manor will be flat experience then that is a HUGE drawback----- very likely the kiss of death for this being a classic or 3 run shot to clear the bases(baseball talk) The best rides do not travel solely horizontally; they ascend and descend as well: Haunted Mansions/Phantom Manor Indy Jones ToT's JTTCE BTMRR's Space Mountains Kali Rapids/Grizzly River Ex Everest Splash Mnts's 20K Leagues Rides should change levels..........that is why I find Alice and Peter Pan far better than their direct peers such as Toad, Pino or Snow White; and a big reason why Maelstrom holds more interest over its direct peer Rio Del Tiempo(there are other elements besides the more vertical travel); and still even more reason why DL's Pirates trumps WDW's and TDl's. Further, that is a big, big reason why guests just don't give Sindbad much love at Disney Sea(we theorize there are cultural reasons too)----it's just a flat experience. And parks should change levels too and that is easily the second biggest reason why I say Disney Sea is the finest park in the world(attention to details is #1). As for Hunny Hunt, well it is a fine attraction BUT the horizontal travel without level change immediately keeps it from being a home run. The world and our day to day experiences are not flat/1 dimensional, therefore when bringing us into a story we should move up and down.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***As for Hunny Hunt, well it is a fine attraction BUT the horizontal travel without level change immediately keeps it from being a home run.*** What are you kidding? Check the stats, baseball boy, in terms of popularity I would bet good money that Pooh is the most popular theme park attraction in all of theme park history! Not a home run indeed! Bwah.
Originally Posted By barboy I am not talking about popularity---- I am talking about "finest"/"best"/"top shelf" ...... yes, yes obviously all subjective but I think you know what I mean. Starbucks might well be the most popular coffee in the world but I sure would not call it the finest.
Originally Posted By barboy ///Check the stats, baseball boy, in terms of popularity I would bet good money that Pooh is the most popular theme park attraction in all of theme park history!/// Hunny Hunt certainly has a sporting chance at the title. EPCOT's Soar'n is in the running too.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Hunny Hunt certainly has a sporting chance at the title. EPCOT's Soar'n is in the running too.*** Perhaps...but I have a hard time believing that...the lines at Pooh are the stuff of Tokyo (and thus theme park world) legend. WorldDisney actually waited for the ride something like 420 minutes once! Er, maybe it was 240 minutes. Why do I have "420" on the brain so much lately!!?? Um, what was I saying? Oh yeah. Anyway Pooh had (still has, to some extent) legendary lines, but the attraction itself is amazing. Sorry to burst your "flat sucks" bubble BB, but Pooh is in my top 3 amazing park rides of all time (along with Indy and Spidey...Tower and Splash probably round out my top five though it varies). And not only that, but I'm going to pop the bubble of your theory even worse by my next statement, from which you will be unable to recover... Walt Disney himself had several pet projects that ended up being the coolest stuff in the parks to true blue fans, and NONE of them had levels (although if you want to skew it, some had certain kinds of perspective FROM various levels, and that's an argument I might buy into)... DL RAILROAD, SUBMARINES, MONORAIL, PEOPLEMOVER, MAIN STREET VEHICLES, and the Enchanted TIKI ROOM, all take place on just one level. Game...set...match.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Sorry to burst your "flat sucks" bubble BB, but Pooh is in my top 3 amazing park rides of all time (along with Indy and Spidey...Tower and Splash probably round out my top five though it varies).*** I do realize that I'm sort of destroying my own argument, and thus adding fuel to your fire since 4 of my 5 top rides do go "up and down" (does Spidey REALLY do so though? that's a whole other argument!), but still...it's an interesting argument that crumbles upon further examination.
Originally Posted By karlg I would think the vehicles could hand small gradual elevation changes like Alice but they would have a hard time with the abrupt changes like the HM. As I suggested they could have some sort of "lift assist" ala an escalator or chain lift (ala Pirates) to get them up steep grades. Even more fantastic would be to do something like what Peter Pan does for ride vehicles, ala suspend the passenger compartment from the main vehicle to give a flying sensation.
Originally Posted By barboy ///Sorry to burst your "flat sucks" bubble BB, but Pooh is in my top 3 amazing park rides of all time/// Yes, and I can see why---- it is a very fine ride. But if the ride changed levels then it would be noticeably better, would it not? Well, I believe that anyway. Good question about Spiderman............ since we feel like we are ascending and falling then I say go with it---- it counts as a level changer. (I'm pretty sure those "scoops" travel a one level track).
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 Wow, if you truly believe a ride has to be operated on, on multiple levels, then I am shocked... A good ride is a good ride regardless of whether it operates on multiple levels, goes left, goes right, goes upside down... whatever... The success of a ride is in it's execution, not whether it operates on different levels.
