Originally Posted By ecdc >>Zimmerman wanted to kick some butt, so much so that he disregarded the dispatcher's request to leave the kid alone.<< Yup. The response to the dispatcher speaks volumes. I get it, the dispatcher isn't in law enforcement, Zimmerman is under no obligation to listen to them. But it just screams that this guy was living out his paranoid fantasy to stop a criminal in the act. He called 911, got an answer he didn't like (and probably didn't expect) and did what he wanted to anyway. I don't use the word fantasy lightly; criminal psychology, while hardly an exact science, agrees that violent criminals often live out their fantasies in their heads long before they commit a crime. Do not fail to appreciate how deluded these people become, living inside their own heads.
Originally Posted By ecdc In fairness, I have no sense that donny is threatening anyone. I think he's just operating under the (usually true) assumption that when people meet they act very differently than they might online. Maybe I'm wrong.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Do not fail to appreciate how deluded these people become, living inside their own heads.<< Plus, the photo of Zimmerman that accompanies every story about him is a $#$@!@!! mug shot. Why was he in trouble that time? Oh yeah, for fighting with a cop. Hello?
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<Single Park Pass holder is a mentally sick sad person. apologise for your hurtful and false comments about me. That would be the human thing to do>> HYPOCRITE You insult SPP then expect him to apologize TO YOU for supposedly being hurtful? You're allowed to dish it out? But no one else can do the same to you? HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE
Originally Posted By Donny No I really think that is true. SPP is an extremley hurtful person,if you don't think the way he does he attacks you at all levels possible.That in not the mark of a grounded person. I stand by it
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Geraldo explained it all for me. It wasn't the fault of the shooter. It was the fault of the hoodie the kid was wearing. [rolleyes]
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Yes or no, Donny. You think it's acceptable that Martin is dead?
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Good luck getting an answer, SPP. I'm still waiting for Donny to affirm or deny that he lives at The Retreat at Twin Lakes.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox BTW... on Rev Al's show today, they re-traced the series of events and where they played out in the gated community. It all started near the main entrance, where Zimmerman initially spotted Trayvon near the complex's clubhouse, which is directly across from the main entrance at the corner of one of the community's four intersections. This is where Zimmerman has been caught in a big lie. There is no way he didn't know where he was at that point. He claims he got out of his truck to look at a street sign to see where he was, when Trayvon supposedly jumped him from behind. He was near the main entrance and the clubhouse, where everyone has to go to get their mail. That's where everyone's mailbox is located, right outside the entrance to the clubhouse. How could Zimmerman not know where he was? They also showed one of the sidewalks in the community that runs behind the backside of townhomes, between Twin Trees and Retreat View Circle. Apparently, Trayvon headed down Twin Trees and then turned left onto the first sidewalk he saw, which was a short sidewalk that lead to the larger one running behind a group of townhomes, where he was ultimately shot. Residents who lived next to that sidewalk were the ones who called 911 when they heard Trayvon screaming for help in their "backyards." There isn't much space between the buildings where that sidewalk is located, which is why you can clearly hear the screams for help and then the gunshot in the background of those 911 calls. If Zimmerman is obviously lying about not knowing where he was in the complex, then why should we believe him about getting out of his truck, except to pursue Trayvon on foot down that sidewalk? I firmly believe he's lying through his teeth about Trayvon jumping him from behind in an effort to build a plausible 'self-defense' alibi for shooting Trayvon.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Zimmerman also whispered a racist term (google it, Slate has it, not linking here). Yeah, self defense my eye.
Originally Posted By ecdc Don't know if it's the same article, but I read on Slate that Zimmerman had quite the habit of calling 911 to report "suspicious" black kids. Don't know about you all, but the last time I called 911 was two years ago when a coworker had a medical issue, and I didn't use a racial slur. In the last ten months, this guy called 911 three times just to report black youths. But no, let's not draw conclusions about what motivated Zimmerman.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip No, MUCH WORSE than that. Since January 1, 2011 Zimmerman called 911 FORTY SIX times!! Source: <a href="http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-19/news/os-trayvon-martin-shooting-george-zimmerman-911-20120319_1_neighborhood-county-sheriff-s-office-crime-watch" target="_blank">http://articles.orlandosentine...me-watch</a>
Originally Posted By barboy Something is rotton in Denm I mean Florida... I see a paradox. If this Zim cat digs on street justice and kicking butt, then what's up with going all paranoia with those excessive police calls? If he is spoiling for some fights then why call the fuzz so often and so early. I mean chances are that the police would break up all the 'fun', no?
Originally Posted By Donny The extremely sad part of this whole tragedy to me is the quick,dangerous and irresponsible actions of people who want to paint Zimmerman as a racist.The more that comes out about this guy the more you learn he was not.
Originally Posted By barboy For me the most tragic element to this story is a kid died.......but that is just me, Donny.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>No, MUCH WORSE than that. Since January 1, 2011 Zimmerman called 911 FORTY SIX times!!<< I knew he'd called a lot, but not that much. This also increases the number of times he reported suspicious black kids to four. >>The more that comes out about this guy the more you learn he was not.<< Why, cause his dad says he has black friends? Yeah, that definitely counts as not racist. It's extremely telling that to Donny, the biggest problem here isn't that an innocent kid is dead, it's that meanie pants liberals are painting poor old "Zimm" as a racist. Wow.
Originally Posted By mawnck For me the most tragic part is that we have become so polarized that we now have slimeballs willing to defend the guy ONLY because their political opponents don't. And have been convinced by their puppet masters that it's the right thing to do.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<The more that comes out about this guy the more you learn he was not.>> Absolutely not the case. This is what Zimmerman is heard saying on his 911 call with the dispatcher before chasing after Trayvon: ZIMMERMAN: Shit, he's running. 911: He's running? Which way is he running? ZIMMERMAN: Down towards the other entrance of the neighborhood. 911: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards? ZIMMERMAN: The back entrance. [pause] F@#$ing c**ns. You want to tell me that this sort of language isn't racist? Really? Orlando Sentinel interviewed a young African-American teenager who lives in the complex, who's had encounters with Zimmerman prior to the shooting. He and his friends have tried to be friendly with the guy, saying 'hi' to him while he does his patrols, but Zimmerman has never said 'hi' in return. Zimmerman even once accused a non-resident black friend of this teen of stealing a resident's bike, and it wasn't even missing. WTF? Zimmerman is a racist, Donny. Sorry that doesn't mesh with your ideal image of the guy. But the facts speak for themselves. Zimmerman profiled Trayvon as a troublemaker because he was black and was wearing a hoodie. That's it. Had Trayvon been a white adult wearing a hoodie, Zimmerman wouldn't have thought twice about it. Zimmerman overreacted because Trayvon was black. Period. End of story. And the 'effn c**ns' comment to the dispatcher confirms the racial profiling and his racist attitude.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<The extremely sad part of this whole tragedy to me is the quick,dangerous and irresponsible actions of people who want to paint Zimmerman as a racist.The more that comes out about this guy the more you learn he was not.>> SPP and I are still waiting for you, Donny, to answer our questions. We've asked you repeatedly to respond, but you keep on posting as if we never asked. And the more information that surfaces regarding this individual, the more you dig in your heels and defend him. Why? Why are you defending 'Zimm' so strongly? Is it because you know the guy? Is Zimmerman the neighborhood watch dude who patrols your 'apartment complex' with a loaded weapon, which you strongly agree with and advocate? How can you defend this guy, given the overwhelming evidence that Zimmerman was playing cop with a loaded gun and deliberately looking for trouble? He allowed his overactive imagination, paranoia, and racial bias to quickly conclude that Trayvon was a troublemaker even though the kid was doing nothing out of the ordinary. He was simply walking back to his father's fiancee's townhome from the convenience store with his iced tea and pack of Skittles. That's it. But Zimmerman was thoroughly convinced that Trayvon was up to no good, simply because he was black and wearing a hoodie. And Zimmerman immediately called 911 and reported a problem when none existed. NONE. Had Zimmerman simply stayed back and watched Trayvon for a while, instead of leaping into action as the wannabe cop on the beat out to deter crime, he would have eventually seen Trayvon end up at his father's fiancee's townhome and go inside. Through the unlocked front door. Zimmerman would have known at that point that Trayvon was a guest of a resident, not someone looking to break into a place or steal property. That's what Zimmerman SHOULD have done, Donny. That's what REGISTERED neighborhood watch participants are TRAINED to do. The fact that Zimmerman couldn't be bothered to register with the NSA and USAonWatch and *follow their guidelines* about how to properly and safely conduct neighborhood watch activities, proves conclusively that he was actively looking for trouble. Zimmerman was patrolling the community hoping to find someone he could engage as a wannabe cop. That's why he acted the way he did. And that's not what neighborhood watch is about. But Zimmerman defied the rules and did what he wanted to do, anyway. And this is someone you want to defend? Someone who's obviously racist and looking for trouble where none exists? Unbelievable.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder I'm tired of asking him, I'm sure others are tired of me asking him, and I'm sure others are just tired. Consequently, since his posts here and refusal to answer give me license to do so, I have concluded that Donny must think killing Martin was an acceptable outcome based on the totality of the circumstances, which includes the facts as we know them applied against Florida law. Otherwise, a simple "no" was all he had to type. One word. "No". Donny will be treated accordingly.
