Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<If this Zim cat digs on street justice and kicking butt, then what's up with going all paranoia with those excessive police calls? If he is spoiling for some fights then why call the fuzz so often and so early. I mean chances are that the police would break up all the 'fun', no?>> Seems to me he decided the police response had been inadequate so it was time to take things into his own hands.
Originally Posted By mele Like I said, he has some sort of mental issue causing his increasingly manic/aggressive behavior. His racism is just his trigger. Donny DID answer the question: "The extremely sad part of this whole tragedy to me is the quick,dangerous and irresponsible actions of people who want to paint Zimmerman as a racist". Pretty damn clear answer.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip If he wasn't looking to play Rambo, why the hell was he carrying around a loaded gun?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 That's what I was thinking, RT. He'd called them many times prior, and presumably they'd responded. Maybe there were even some arrests made, but mostly probably not (and probably because there was no reason to)... thus Zimmerman's frustrated comments on the 911 call that "these *%$#&'s always get away." This was not satisfying to him, so on this night he decided that this one would not get away. Was he driven by a little "alcohol-fueled courage" that night? We'll never know, since the police inexplicably never even tested him for that (though they made damn sure Martin was tested for it). But alcohol fueled or not, I don't see this as a "paradox" at all. Zimmerman was determined that this one not get away, like (in his mind) the others had. He words on the 911 call, and subsequent pursuit when told not to, tell us that.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <For me the most tragic part is that we have become so polarized that we now have slimeballs willing to defend the guy ONLY because their political opponents don't. And have been convinced by their puppet masters that it's the right thing to do.> This. Big time.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>You want to tell me that this sort of language isn't racist? Really?<< As an audio forensicologist (seriously), I will tell you that that's a fairly fanciful interpretation of what's actually on the tape. You'll hear messages like that "whispered comment" if you play Beatles records backwards as well. Both sides are making fools of themselves here. PATIENCE, people.
Originally Posted By Donny So mawnck let me ask you this .What's the possibility it's Zimmerman on the 911 tapes yelling for help ?
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I don't really care whether Zimmerman was racist or not. The fact remains that he gunned down an unarmed child who was screaming for help. Many here defending him would be screaming for blood if the kid had been white and the shooter black. SOCIETY is racist... regardless of where Zimmerman stands.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<What's the possibility it's Zimmerman on the 911 tapes yelling for help ?>> Absolutely none... unless the dude had a righteous fear of Skittles.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Why would a heavy-set fully grown adult male weighing 250 pounds and carrying a loaded 9mm gun need "help" to fend off a skinny teen weighing 140 pounds who's unarmed? How could anyone who weighs almost HALF of what Zimmerman weighs possibly be a physical threat to him? Donny... try using your brain.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Donny, do you believe that it's actually possible that a non-muscular teenaged boy weighing 140 pounds could physically overtake a larger, hefty adult male weighing 250 pounds? If you truly believe that Zimmerman was shouting out for help because Trayvon had overpowered him and was physically restraining him... spell it out for us in detail how he could have done it. Seriously, Donny. If you're going to keep making this claim that Zimmerman was the one shouting for help because Trayvon had overpowered him with force (he had no weapon), describe for us how he could have done it. In detail.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Donny, do you believe that it's actually possible that a non-muscular teenaged boy weighing 140 pounds could physically overtake a larger, hefty adult male weighing 250 pounds?" OK, on this I will say it is certainly possible.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>For me the most tragic part is that we have become so polarized that we now have slimeballs willing to defend the guy ONLY because their political opponents don't.<< Also this. You'd think the one freaking thing we could agree on.... Ugh. Never mind.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 Post 313-This is not my opinion but all it takes is one good punch or kick to briefly render someone useless. I don't believe that was the case in this instance but it's not impossible
Originally Posted By skinnerbox OK, SPP and DD, I'll play along. Let's say for arguments sake that Trayvon kicked Zimmerman in the tender parts which rendered him temporarily helpless, whereby Trayvon jumped him and pinned him to the ground. How then does this 140 pound teen keep a 250 pound Zimmerman pinned to the ground? Even if Trayvon sat on his chest and started punching him in the face (which is what I believe Zimmerman claimed he did, but I'm not certain), why couldn't Zimmerman simply push him off? If that was Zimmerman shouting for help (which I don't believe it was)... why couldn't he overpower Trayvon, since he weighed almost twice as much as the teen? I find it very difficult to believe that a 250 pound adult male couldn't overpower a 140 pound teen.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan On the recording, he clearly hisses a racist term, and talks about these guys always getting away. If this were a connect the dots picture, it would consist of about 4 dots: 1. Jughead wanna be cop with revenge fantasies 2. Lone black kid, smaller than himself 3. "Stand Your Ground" idiotic law providing an "out" 4. Gun I've said it before, but no one believes me: Donny is a troll. To engage in a conversation with a troll is a useless, frustrating exercise, by design. In WE post after WE post, he does little drive-bys and people keep taking the bait again and again and again and again (me included, in spite of myself). Note that he is always, always taking the opposite view of anything. Start a thread about up, and I promise he'll talk about down. I'm done with him.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Come on... I'm a 155 pound 60-year-old with emphysema, and I wouldn't feel threatened enough by a 140-pound unarmed black kid to pull a gun on him. If I even owned a gun, which I don't. However, I would probably scream like a girl and cry, so who knows about the tape? ;-) lol
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <<How then does this 140 pound teen keep a 250 pound Zimmerman pinned to the ground?>> Kneeling on his chest or arms it's possible. Plus someone that 140 17 year old is likely to be in better shape than a 250 27(?) year old. Now let me restate I don't buy Zimmerman's story one bit. I think whomever he ran across that night was going to get shot, it was probably a bonus for him that he got to shoot "one of them."
