Originally Posted By jonvn I suspect given ride content and the long wait in line, the line will go short within a couple months. People aren't going to want to wait 2 hours to watch a cartoon.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>Skippy Mon 6/11/2007 1:33p Hey, what do you expect? It costs a lot of money to get a submarine to go through a loop! << Not to mention that catapult launch system .. in which the subs are flung into outerspace .. then "liquid space". :~ We'll throw in a good percentage of that budget to WDI expense accounts too!
Originally Posted By FiveBearRugs <<fkurucz: "SMH Capital analyst David Miller Monday estimated the "Finding Nemo" ride upgrade took Disney about three years and cost $172 million.">> Which means that now postcards will cost $6.50 each, Churros and Important Snacks will be $35, Turkey legs $25, Monte Cristo sandwiches will be $34.99 and the Magical Picture that gets taken of you in Main Street will go for $75 for a 4x6. Pins will now cost $12 and Mickey Ears will be $45.
Originally Posted By Skellington88 Nemo costed $172 due to repairing old structures and the then bloated imagineering that was notorious for cost overruns and delays (thanks Fitzgerald and goodman).
Originally Posted By patrickegan You can cut the cynicism in here with knife. :-0 While I wasn’t wacky about the whole Nemo re-theme I believe it a good thing there’s more then just a static pond in TM. But I also think they need to stop resting on the old laurels as they need to get something (E ticket) fresh rolling.
Originally Posted By danyoung >People aren't going to want to wait 2 hours to watch a cartoon.< People used to wait 90 minutes regularly for plastic fish tied down with visible plastic wire and topless mermaids floating in a green muck. So yeah, they're gonna wait 2 hours to watch a cartoon for the forseeable future. And I've seen the $70 mil number in a few places, which seems much more realistic.
Originally Posted By jonvn There is a difference between seeing what you used to be able to see on the old subs, and seeing a cartoon of nemo, which you can do by putting a DVD and watching it at home. I give this thing a few months, and then lines will evaporate.
Originally Posted By fkurucz ^^I don't know. Rocket Rods had huge lines until the day it died. I rode it once, and while I definitely did not think that it was worth the long line, many others disagreed.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney ^^Jonvn, have you been on it? I'm REALLY asking here, no more! It sounds like you rode it and was dissappointed, or do you just not like the entire concept of it?
Originally Posted By danyoung Al Lutz had some interesting info in today's update, which, if true, would indicate that the budget was indeed northwards of $150 mil. Amazing!
Originally Posted By Nobody "I give this thing a few months, and then lines will evaporate." So, do you mean "evaporate" as in "I put an ounce of water in shallow dish this morning, and now it's all gone" or more like "The ocean is constantly evaporating, but it's still really big"? (Also, if you'd like to define "a few months", we can come back here then and discuss how accurate your psychic abilities really are.)
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "People used to wait 90 minutes regularly for plastic fish tied down with visible plastic wire and topless mermaids floating in a green muck." Yep. And the ride now features some of Disney/Pixar's most popular characters and updated technology. The lure of this ride, especially for families, isn't going to wane anytime soon.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Al Lutz had some interesting info in today's update, which, if true, would indicate that the budget was indeed northwards of $150 mil." I'm still flabbergasted over the reports that Pooh cost $30 million. Given that outrageous figure, it stands to reason that Nemo was well over $100 million.
Originally Posted By jonvn Doesn't matter. Given the content, and the history of rides such as this, the long lines, slow loads, it has a few months, and then that'll be it. Rocket Rods had long lines often times because it was constantly breaking down, too. I am disappointed in that they built another fantasyland ride outside of fantasyland. Not only that, they turned the whole thing into one long cartoon. You can see a Nemo cartoon on TV. Other than the very smallest of children and park fans, I think this ride is going to not be received all that well. The lines will be long, then they will go quickly away, when word of mouth starts up with "You wait 3 hours, and it's just a cartoon" starts to spread around.
Originally Posted By jonvn " you'd like to define "a few months"" Eh....I was thinking 2 months, but that's short. I give it six, maybe. I could be wrong. Al Lutz reported something from another article. It claimed $172 million. "the ride now features some of Disney/Pixar's most popular characters and updated technology." The ride features a cartoon. We'll see. If I'm wrong, good for Disney. If I'm right, they have another Pooh on their hands. I hope I'm right, because I'm tired of seeing them make the same ride everywhere.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt “The ride features a cartoon.†I hear what you're saying, but judging from some of the video footage I've seen, this is a lot more than just a cartoon. Trust me, I’m very skeptical and I would have much rather seen the lagoon ripped out and replaced with something new. Something, anything, not Pixar related. With that said, and the horrible slow-moving queue notwithstanding, I do give the company some credit for what appears to be a very imaginative update to a classic Disneyland attraction.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Jonvn, You seem to have just skipped over my question. So, have you been on it yet? Just curious.
Originally Posted By danyoung >Al Lutz reported something from another article. It claimed $172 million.< No, he didn't. He listed the original budget, then talked about how it got bumped up a couple times, and then when Lasseter got involved in 2006 the budget went through the roof. He made no mention of the $172 mil article (which I think was from the L.A. Times). >Given the content, and the history of rides such as this, the long lines, slow loads, it has a few months, and then that'll be it.< You're just so completely wrong on this, jon. As was said, historically this ride, even when everyone knew it was just the old subs and the old effects, had a consistently long line, even on slower days. There's absolutely no indication from early reports that people aren't liking what they see. In fact, most people are raving about it. You say it's just a cartoon. But it's a cartoon that's existing in the real, 3D world, interacting with the other elements that you see outside of the windows. It looks like so much more than just a cartoon that you could watch at home. I'd lay good money that the line is going to be 2 to 3 hours long for the better part of the next year.
