Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Together they do take up a bit of space (especially the theatre), but it's actually quite a good use of space - two attractions and a much needed outdoor performance space." I was half joking about removing Storybook Land, but the theater should go. I can't believe that you consider that unthemed ugly facility "a good use of space".
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Well I'm glad StorybookLand is off the chopping block anyway. It wouldn't kill me if they removed the theatre, but the bottom line for me is this: if they put a good show in there, then it's good use of space. With a bad show (or princess meet and greet), it's not. If they do repurpose the Festival area for a FrL expansion, then the FaL space would be the only real large theatre space in the park. I do think it needs one. The old TL stage used to fill that bill (and it was generic enough that they could have name entertainment there - I saw the Temptations there back in the day, for instance), but that's gone now. I do think they need ONE large live entertainment venue. But if they keep the FaL theatre for that, they need to treat it as such (and put something good on there).
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt I wonder how the other Magic Kingdom parks manage without a large theater facility like the Fantasyland Theater. I don't think it's mandatory that Disneyland has a stage for live shows, especially considering the shortage of real estate at the Anaheim resort.
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance I agree. Live entertainment shows and theme parks don't have to mix. Parades, fireworks, Fantasmic, WOC, that's enough, isn't it? Do they really need to start bringing in more Elvis impersonators, 80's cover bands, or character shows to keep everyone happy?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <I don't think it's mandatory that Disneyland has a stage for live shows,> I don't think it's mandatory either. But assuming it's a good show, I think it's a plus.
Originally Posted By disneylandfan8 I sure am glad certain people aren't on the committee that makes the choices of what Disney offers its guests.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>I sure am glad certain people aren't on the committee that makes the choices of what Disney offers its guests.<< +1. More GOOD live shows, please.
Originally Posted By Manfried More good live shows that aren't on a stage please. Saw Mad Tea Party last night and have to wonder why they built a stage when they all ready had one in the area?
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>I wonder how the other Magic Kingdom parks manage without a large theater facility like the Fantasyland Theater.<< Huh? What about this? (WDW) <a href="http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/.a/6a00d83451c3cb69e20115711fe863970b-500wi" target="_blank">http://blogs.orlandosentinel.c...0b-500wi</a> And this? (DLP) <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/49095044@N06/6576835579/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/4...6835579/</a> And this? TDL <a href="http://land.allears.net/blogs/jackspence/Showbase%203.jpg" target="_blank">http://land.allears.net/blogs/...%203.jpg</a> The only 'magic kingdom' tomorrowland to not have a stage is Hong Kong's. I too like dreamin' new ideas for the site of the Fantasyland Theatre. But if they can produce good shows ... like they use to, before, (Beauty & the Beast, One Man's Dream, Pocahontas, Mickey's Nutcracker, Dick Tracy) ... then I say let this crowd-soaker have a go at it, again.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Allow me to interject Joe Regular Guy's perspective here. The original subs were shut down without any real thought as to what to do next with the space once they did it. It appeared the decision was made purely for economical reasons, i.e. it cost too much to operate the ride. For years after, the deserted sub lagoon was a black eye on Disneyland as well as an embarrassment. The short-sighted decision typified Disney management at the time. Finally, a new regime resurrects the lagoon with a Nemo overlay. Who really cares what they did with it, but the subs were back and that's all "regular" visitors cared about. The subs were re-opened with the knowledge it had a low rider per hour ratio and it would be expensive. Complaining about those same things now is pointless. Years go by, prices increase with no real corresponding park improvements other than rehabs, and very recently another increase sends regular admission and AP prices into a new stratosphere. And now, one of these "insider" guys says the subs might go again and what's more, other "know it alls" are saying Tomorrowland might be shut entirely for another makeover. Joe Regular Guy wants to know- is Disney nuts? Raise prices to insane levels only to take away a ride they only "recently" re-opened and/or take away an entire land? Joe Regular Guy doesn't care about rider ratios or whether it's still a good entertainment value (he hasn't thought so for years, anyway). He wants to know if there will be a correponding drop in prices for one less land or ride. He's also aware that Disney must be bereft of original ideas, otherwise way did the subs languish for so long only to use the cover of a movie to re-open them again. Where's the new Pirates? The new Haunted Mansion? It's one thing to have a Tomorrowland heavy on old movies, but there's no track record going back several generations now that suggests a new Tomorrowland would be anything other than same but different. And Disney knows Joe Regular Guy thinks this. He's who they must please instead of some Internet wisacres. If Disney actually does gut the subs again or the entirety of Tomorrowland, they WILL lose Joe Regular Guy for good. They MIGHT get his kids back someday, but not Joe. Or his friends.
Originally Posted By Manfried I think Disney is raising prices to get rid of Joe goes nearly every day guy.
Originally Posted By bellefantastic In my opinion, I don't think Autopia should be taken out because it has been there since Disneyland first opened. I have loved it since the first time I rode on it when I was a little girl with my family. It is a legendary ride and I'd hate to see it be removed completely from the park. What would Walt Disney think? To me, it is a treasure to the park. But, I wouldn't mind the Submarine Nemo ride or Inoventions to be changed to something new. I am not pushing it to be removed, I'm just not a big fan of either of them. The Autopia ride has always been a family favorite!
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Joe Regular Guy wants to know- is Disney nuts? Raise prices to insane levels only to take away a ride they only "recently" re-opened and/or take away an entire land? Joe Regular Guy doesn't care about rider ratios or whether it's still a good entertainment value (he hasn't thought so for years, anyway). He wants to know if there will be a correponding drop in prices for one less land or ride.<< Uh, that's not Joe Regular Guy. Joe Regular Guy doesn't know the extent of the price increase, and since he hasn't been to the park in a few years, he won't be too surprised about it. Joe Regular Guy won't know the subs are gone until he walks up to the line and sees the closed sign (at which time he'll shrug and head back to Star Tours or Space Mountain or Redd Rocket's). Joe Regular Guy is not on LP or MiceAge or any other Disney site. Joe Regular Guy does not usually pay any attention to Disneyland. Joe Regular Guy doesn't care about individual rides that much, and he certainly won't base his decision to take the kids to Disneyland on whether ride X is there or not. Joe Regular Guy thinks Bugs Bunny is a Disney character.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>What would Walt Disney think?<< He'd think he's been dead for 46 years and he sure wishes you'd get over it and let him rest in peace. Sorry, I'm in a mood ....
Originally Posted By bellefantastic I don't think that your mood matches the topic. Perhaps you should remove yourself and your mood to another and less entertaining venue?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "I think Disney is raising prices to get rid of Joe goes nearly every day guy." That's not who they get rid of. That guy might grumble, but if he goes that often, he's addicted, and he'll know that the pass is still much cheaper than day passes when you go THAT often If they get rid if anyone, it will be those folks who go several times a year, for whom the passes represented a savings, but might not any more.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Joe Regular Guy is not on LP or MiceAge or any other Disney site. Joe Regular Guy does not usually pay any attention to Disneyland. Joe Regular Guy doesn't care about individual rides that much, and he certainly won't base his decision to take the kids to Disneyland on whether ride X is there or not." Joe begs to differ. Joe gets his information from TV and newspapers, primarily, who trumpet the high prices. He believes Disney is overpriced and does realize who Bugs is.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>The subs were re-opened with the knowledge it had a low rider per hour ratio and it would be expensive. Complaining about those same things now is pointless.<< Said so perfectly! We know the $$$ it will take to really carry-out this rumored idea. Plus, there's not a single mention from Al about the bottom/south half of Tomorrowland ... which is in more serious need of redoing. So, who's placing bets this will go down like the Ozland rumor a couple months ago? I'd like to be proven wrong ... but I think the phrase goes like - "Fat chance"-?
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <I mean does anyone really remember all those live stage shows done on them? No.> Yes. We do. < and he got told today that there is plans for the old people movers track soon> Means as much as what were chatting about here.
