Originally Posted By Manfried Me thinks a certain Al is just spreading rumors to see if he can influence the future of Disneyland. Better rumors on the future of the parks come from Blue Sky Disney.
Originally Posted By DBitz2 >>Live entertainment shows and theme parks don't have to mix. Parades, fireworks, Fantasmic, WOC, that's enough, isn't it?<< I personally like (good) stage shows and have missed Disneyland not having one. There is just something missing from the Park without there being one. For me, parades AND shows are a part of the Disney park experience that I like and enjoy. And, there are many others that I know who feel the same way. Filling up the theater many times a day for shows does help to absorb some of the crowds.
Originally Posted By Bellella If there's any way to make the Nemo subs run better (i.e. LED projection systems) Disney should do it by all means. I can easily see hundreds of people, namely kids, throwing huge fits if that ride is taken out. As for me, I love the subs, Nemo or not. Autopia must stay, and must be turned all-electric. I'd hate to see the PeopleMover track go. Could they at least try to put something up there? If anything should go, it should be Buzz Lightyear's Astro Blasters. How does that fit in Tomorrowland? Not happening. I'd have to say that the only real improvement to Tomorrowland in the last 10 years has been the refurb of Space Mountain. (Hating on the music, though.) But there could be many more improvements, without having to jettison rides that have been loved by the masses. I'd have to say that taking out the Subs and Autopia, considering many of the decisions those in charge have made recently, is a stupid risk and should not be attempted. I feel as though I'm losing my faith in the Imagineers to make good choices.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Me thinks a certain Al is just spreading rumors to see if he can influence the future of Disneyland.<< Based on what evidence?
Originally Posted By phruby But think of the possibilities at bulldozing 20% of the park. They could put something as grand and big as carsland back there. There could be a version of Mysterious Island for a rethemed steampunk tomorrowland complete with aquatopia and JTCOTE. There could be a large version of Discovery Bay complete with time travel ride using the current dinosaurs. There could be something completely new and different back there. (ie. Star Wars land!) The skys the limit! I would definately trade those three rides for an entirely new land with five or six new rides and restraunts. Whatever happens, they have to retheme the current TL too. Just keep Star Tours and Space Mountain. Everythingg else is expendable.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "What would Walt Disney think?" I don't particularly care at this point. "Joe begs to differ. Joe gets his information from TV and newspapers, primarily, who trumpet the high prices. He believes Disney is overpriced and does realize who Bugs is." Joe will get over it. "I can easily see hundreds of people, namely kids, throwing huge fits if that ride is taken out." Hundreds!
Originally Posted By bellefantastic "I don't particularly care at this point" Good, for Disney did not create his dream for you, but for us. Hundreds of thousands who care that he wanted more, than ever before.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Good, for Disney did not create his dream for you, but for us. Hundreds of thousands who care that he wanted more, than ever before. << Belle, seriously. This is way over the top. Walt was a businessman first and foremost, and most of that stuff he said was written for him by his PR department. His "dream" was to make a bungload of money off of a theme park. To think otherwise is extremely naive. Whatever artistic qualities it ever possessed (and they were numerous) were a means to that end.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost ^^^To an extent that was true, but Walt was willing to take a chance on and lose many a dollar pursuing what he dreamed. He only worried about money when Roy forced him too. Many of his dreams, some that are now classics did not make a ton of money. It was actually the other way around, money was the means to the end and that was building what he thought was the best and most creative. He might not have sacrificed quality for profit but he really didn't have to answer to anyone but himself and, to some degree, Roy. His total intention might not have been to dazzle the world, it was to satisfy his own hunger for perfection and his own creativity. What he did possess was an uncanny ability to always be in tune with popular needs of the time. I am sorry to say that, I doubt he would have had that same ability in this day and age. They might have liked what they saw but I truly doubt the Snow White would drive anyone crazy if it were created now. Not enough blood and gore, not enough free suspension in midair and certainly not enough vampires.
Originally Posted By bellefantastic Mawnck, if I am naive, I'll make the most of it Roy was always reining in Walt, who was the creator first, business man second, or third. Roy was the guy who kept it all afloat. What kind of park do you think Roy would have made, w ithout Walt? You are welcome to your opinion, but I'll stand by mine.
Originally Posted By oc_dean "Walt was a businessman first and foremost" "most of that stuff he said was written for him by his PR department" "His "dream" was to make a bungload of money off of a theme park." "To think otherwise is extremely naive." "Whatever artistic qualities it ever possessed (and they were numerous) were a means to that end." A load of ___! I don't know where you are coming from, to write this stuff .... talk about over-the-top ... Couldn't disagree more. You make Walt sound like the most greediest man on earth. That would people TODAY.
Originally Posted By oc_dean And that's really all I want to say. Is that I disagree. Not up to arguing with posters.
Originally Posted By disneylandfan8 I thought Walt created his park so families could enjoy doing something together, not just the parents watching the kids have fun, but letting the adults recapture the fun they has as a kid. Disneyland is a park I grew up with, thanks to my grandparents who enjoyed sharing their love of it as early as the 1955 photos they took before I was born. I shared my love of Disney with my three children and now I have a 3 month old grandson that I can't wait to take to Disneyland. I can only hope that most of the rides I loved as a child will still be there for him to share with me. It's one thing to ADD to the park, but if the plans include tearing down numerous existing rides or even a whole land that has been there for many, many years, it just seems wrong. If it's new and exciting thrilling and maybe futuristic rides you want, try going down the road to Six Flags. I'm sure the crowds are smaller there and the prices aren't as high.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder >"Joe begs to differ. Joe gets his information from TV and newspapers, primarily, who trumpet the high prices. He believes Disney is overpriced and does realize who Bugs is." Joe will get over it.< Doubt it. Even if he does, he'll be getting over it without Disneyland if the changes thrown around here come to pass.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "I personally like (good) stage shows and have missed Disneyland not having one" Who says that a stage can't be a part of whatever they do in the future? Just because I'm suggesting that the Fantasyland Theater be razed doesn't mean that I'm declaring that there be no stage in Disneyland. And lets be honest, with a few rare exceptions people go to the parks for the attractions, not stage shows.
Originally Posted By x Pirate_Princess x >>>No offense West Coast people, but WDW (especially the MK) is far more in need of desperate help than DL resort. After the massive transfusion given to the DL resort in DCA, isn't it time to send some $$ WDW's way?<<< Isn't WDW getting a WHOLE NEW Fantasyland???
Originally Posted By x Pirate_Princess x >>You certainly don't see the excitement over the FL changes that you've had with DCA.<< I don't know what marketing looks like, but here in SoCal, it's been all about Cars Land. Also, the New Fantasyland isn't open yet, is it? I'm sure when it's 100% ready, they'll have a big marketing campaign that will replace Cars Land. Of course, opening the new FL in phases doesn't do much to increase anticipation.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "Good, for Disney did not create his dream for you, but for us. Hundreds of thousands who care that he wanted more, than ever before." Guy's been dead for half a century. Let him rest in peace. You sure don't know what he would've wanted. "Doubt it. Even if he does, he'll be getting over it without Disneyland if the changes thrown around here come to pass." I'm willing to bet that should they do this, it won't impact attendance at all.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>You make Walt sound like the most greediest man on earth.<< Not at all. This is not a black-and-white either-or situation. Walt and Roy both understood something that has been lost in business dealings today ... which is you do not have to **maximize** profits at the expense of quality, or of enjoying what you do. Walt was driven by a number of different things, among them the desire to create art, and the desire to be the best at what he did. But he was also driven by profit. All these impulses to bring joy to the world and entertain families yada yada yada could not have resulted in a billion dollar corporation without an equally strong drive to make the big bucks. WE can celebrate him for HOW he made the money without forgetting that he did it. I just hate it when people get suckered by PR, whether it's politics, religion, or Walt-Disney-Worship. He wasn't a supernatural being descended unto earth to spread love and joy to the world's children. He was just a very talented entrepreneur who was at the right place at the right time. We can celebrate his achievements without getting all silly about it.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <And lets be honest, with a few rare exceptions people go to the parks for the attractions, not stage shows.> If you did one of your polls at the exit to Disneyland, you"d probably learn that attractions are "most mportant" to guests when they think back about their most recent visit. But isn't a visit to Disneyland a sum of its parts? So in addition to going on rides you have -- visiting Mickey, Minnie and other characters, having a meal at Cafe Orleans, shopping at the Emporium, listening to The Dapper Dans perform a set, watching the latest parade roll through Fantasyland, or catching Fantasmic. For me, (and I'm not writing anything you don't already know Hans), the Disneyland experience is made up of any number of these types of experiences. And a Disneyland produced stage show is just another layer of the overall Disneyland experience. My Disneyland memories have just as much to do with Royal Street Bachelors and Main Street Maniacs and Dickens Christmas Carolers and shows like Spirit of Pocahontas and The Kids of the Kingdom as it with Space Mountain or Indiana Jones. Then again, I'm weird that way.
