Originally Posted By Yookeroo "I'm not entirely sure of my point. I think it's something along the lines of, he could have been in it for the money, or the fame, or the immense satisfaction he recieved in lovingly creating something that every family will enjoy. Could have and most likely was a combination of many different factors that drove him to do what he did." Your point is on the money (so to speak). I think the original post that set off the firestorm was meant to be a reality check to the Walt worshipers. They seem to think the His reason for creating Disneyland was entirely altruistic. We see plenty of posts that suggest that money was never an object when it came to the DL guest experience. He was trying to make money. And I'm sure he hoped to make a lot of it. But Grandma is right, money was a motivating factor. So was guest experience. So was his legacy (his interest in urban planning surely suggests this is important to him). So was fame. The guy was human (really, I know a lot of you think he was some sort of angel, but he was human).
Originally Posted By idleHands "Let's see, Lasseter was fired by Disney, had kids and had to survive, that's not taking a risk at all?" Lasseter was fired by Disney and none of the other studios would hire him. He went to work for Dr Catmull and the other computer nerds at Lucas as their test animator. This was years before he met Nancy and became a father. Neither Lucas nor Pixar were his companies -- those honors go to George Lucas and Steve Jobs -- so where is the risk? Lasseter was doing a job he loved to do, for someone else's company, as millions of Americans do every single day. Jobs bought Lucas Computer, sold off the hardware division, kept the software division, and poured millions into growing Pixar into the full blown animation studio we know today. Lasseter was a hired gun with platinum stock options. Walt was the one betting the farm and then some while growing HIS company. There is no comparison here.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>it matters to the legions of Disneyphiles who want to believe that Walt Disney was something akin to a creative genious/saint.<< As others say .... No, it's crazy to call him a saint. An innovator, who dared to do, what others tend not to do ... especially this day and age? He was genius. And there are too few if his kind today. If he's put on a 'pedestal' higher today .. than then ... that might be because the world today is full of greedy types, who don't like what they do, and are in it for the money. That action alone puts entrepreneurs like Walt in a better light.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Just so we are on the same page...I have lost track of what others think a Disneyphile defines too. Do you folks think that I am a Disneyphile? Just curious so I can have a basis of comparison. Seriously! I know how I feel about things but I am really interested in how others perceive me on that topic. It's getting hard to know whether I agree or disagree with certain post when someone is referred to as a Disneyphile.
Originally Posted By oc_dean To me, it's another word for a hardcore fan. It would be nice to know a more concise definition, though.
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance You don't know what honey sticks are, Jim!? They are just what they sound like, little sticks of honey. I hate them. That's why they've been in my cupboard for the last 55 years, I've been saving them for my Jimmy boy!
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Originally Posted By tashajilek I hate honey sticks to Grandma CC, i think i have some rotting away too.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA blecch. Honey sticks look gross. I wonder if Walt Disney liked them.
Originally Posted By tashajilek It tastes pretty much the same as just pure honey. I hate the taste of honey, so it's pretty nasty to me. "I wonder if Walt Disney liked them." LOL, i bet thats what everyone else is wondering too.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA The Disney PR Department could create a story that one of Walt"s favorite treats when he first got to California was honey sticks They could sell honey sticks, and honey themed treats at DCA. "Walt"s Honey Sticks"
Originally Posted By tashajilek ^^ That would probably be the best way to get a huge increase in sales for those nasty sticks.
Originally Posted By mawnck They're plastic tubes with honey in them. No biggie. (Sometimes it has artificial flavor and color added.) >>I wonder if Walt Disney liked them.<< Walt would've (1) Done something totally new and mind-blowingly innovative with them, beyond our wildest imaginations, and/or (2) kept them exactly the same as when Disneyland first opened in 1955.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan They could sell honey sticks at DL and call them "Pooh Tubes." >>Walt would've (1) Done something totally new and mind-blowingly innovative with them, beyond our wildest imaginations, and/or (2) kept them exactly the same as when Disneyland first opened in 1955.<< (3) Neither. There wasn't enough money in honey stick sales to motivate him.
