Originally Posted By crapshoot << . . . a whopping 1,500 people per hour - almost double the Subs.>> But that comparisson can be made throughout the park. Captain Eo is poorly attended as is Lincoln. But the queue for Nemo is generally beyond full. And the real answer is, get ready to get your dander up everybody, electronic ride coupons.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt << . . . a whopping 1,500 people per hour - almost double the Subs.>> "But that comparisson can be made throughout the park. Captain Eo is poorly attended as is Lincoln. But the queue for Nemo is generally beyond full." You don't get it. If Captain Eo only handled half as many people the line would be longer. See how that works? The reason why the Subs have any line at all is because it at a measly 800 people per hour it is very poor at handling significant numbers of people.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Here's another comparison: your favorite Peter Pan's Flight. It has an hourly capacity of 600 people. Thus, this small Fantasyland C ticket is only pushing through 200 people per hour less than the Subs.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Bury the subs, remove the monorail, nuke the peoplemover track, level autopia and implode the carousel building.>> Be careful what you ask for... you may just get it. At WDW we got Stitch in place of Mission to Mars/Alien Encounter, Buzz Lightyear in place of Dreamflight/Take Flight. Laugh Floor Comedy Club in place of CircleVision 360 Theater/Timekeeper and a Pooh Playground in place of the Subs. Be afraid... be VERY afraid.
Originally Posted By barboy ///Won't last. The novelty will wear off and the crowds will return to less insane levels./// This is a promise--- one that you can loan against! Indeed the novelty/interest of will wear off, WAY OFF, due to 2 'rock' solid inherent drawbacks of going with a theme such as Carsland. 1)the whole land is one colossal rehashed closed narrative 2)bright paint don't dig on sun, especially intense So Cal rays........if you don't believe me go across the esplanade and ask Roger what happened to his once very bright and crisp town.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>But what I find amusing is the debate over the "cost effectiveness" of a ride and how that should perhaps determine it's residence in the park. Ridiculous.<< It's an amusing flip-flop from one DL administration to the next. One ('59-80s) justified it. The next (Paul P.) unjustified. Matt O. - justified it. Now ... unjustified. If it's so easy to rattle off points for it's removal ... It has been just as easy to rattle off points to keep it. In the end ... if their plans are some-what underwhelming ... then I doubt most DL fans will want to see this unique and one-of-a-kind attraction be wiped out, forever. We know it will take a serious budget. After so much dropped into DCA 2.0 just recently ... how confident are you all, they will do the right thing, and deliver something as spectacular as the subs were in 1959?
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "But what I find amusing is the debate over the "cost effectiveness" of a ride and how that should perhaps determine it's residence in the park." It should only partially determine its residence in the park.
Originally Posted By Bellella hbquikcomjamesl, interesting ideas. Except for the Disney soundtracks playing on the cars, that could be a really good concept for Autopia. The main concern is how effective the system would be and how much maintenance it would take. For now, it'd be better to just convert the cars to all-electric, see how they work out, and then maybe let the attraction be fully tricked out in the "smart highway" system.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I think Disney used to take more of a chance investing in cutting edge technology. I can't really blame them for not doing that any more... with today's extremely critical "fans" and the Internet, they take incredible flak when a complex ride system like TestTrack or RSR has technical glitches early on. So they tend to stick with the tried, the true, the boring...
Originally Posted By oc_dean I'm beginning to wonder if they will have anything new by DL's 60th .. just 3 years away. It's a long time, but in the life of Imagineering, and the length of time it takes to build things, they have to be close to green lighting something. From pencil sketch to grand opening - It's 5 years in the making, for all large projects. But if ground is not broke by next year for anything ... then my guess is Disneyland is going to coast just - as is - through the 60th ... with something not opening till the second half of this decade. And IF they hit the north/west quadrant of DL .. with closures by the end of this year ... I will be completely shocked. So, I'm beginning to place my bets .. anything new for DL will probably have a 2016 or 2017 opening. Leaving a 5 year gap ... with an updated Star Tours in '11 to carry the park through, with anything new.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "I think Disney used to take more of a chance investing in cutting edge technology. I can't really blame them for not doing that any more... with today's extremely critical "fans" and the Internet, they take incredible flak when a complex ride system like TestTrack or RSR has technical glitches early on. So they tend to stick with the tried, the true, the boring..." And cutting edge sometimes doesn't stay cutting edge for very long.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip ^^^ And you have to consider that most hard-core Disney fans seem to prefer one of the oldest technologies Disney has... animatronics.
Originally Posted By oc_dean I have a suggestion: Why don't we keep to the subject .. and refrain from carping/kvetching about other people.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip The first person I've noticed kvetching about other people in this thread is YOU!
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I had NO ONE specific in mind when I made my comment. You have to admit that a major complaint of most "hard-core" fans is that Disney tends to not use any/many animatronics in their newer attractions. I'm not saying there is necessarily anything wrong with that complaint... just pointing out a FACT.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "And you have to consider that most hard-core Disney fans seem to prefer one of the oldest technologies Disney has... animatronics." Just because the field of animatronics is old does not mean that new iterations of the technology are old. The earliest versions of the car date back to the 1830s. The car may be old, but there's a huge difference between a Model-T and a Tesla.
Originally Posted By macnak81 just throwing this out there, what happened to all the AA's from the World Of Motion? Replace Innovations with another round , but larger building and you could have a re-imagined World of Motion. Maybe even immersed with the electric Autopia . . ...
Originally Posted By Manfried Is it about "cutting edge technology" or is it about a fun attraction? Technology is just a tool. Fun is what I want. Oh, and I think Lincoln should be boarded up too.
