Originally Posted By oc_dean I'd love nothing more than to see WDW finally get some badly needed help. Their Tomorrowland is a cartoon nightmare. World Showcase in EPCOT not seen an attraction since the Maelstrom .. and that was some 25 years ago. Leaving the Health pavilion sit closed for all these years, in Futureworld - not good! And I think creating an edited version of the edited version of Tiki Room is more proof WDW management is lacking in attention to detail. So, yes, WDW is also in need of some tlc.
Originally Posted By dagobert I really wonder why Disney chose Buzz Lightyear for Tomorrowland. He is a toy in the present and not in the future. That ride doesn't fit in any of the Tomorrowlands/Discoverylands around the globe. Disney should get rid of them in all parks. It's a fun ride, but the theming is wrong. I guess relocations are too expensive and so they will remain.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "After the massive transfusion given to the DL resort in DCA, isn't it time to send some $$ WDW's way?" It's a very big company that makes a lot of money. Why couldn't investments happen at both properties?
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Did I just wake up from a coma or isn't the company spending some rather large bucks in WDW even as we speak? Even though Disney Co. is large, each area is it's own profit center. It's a poor management idea to spend more then potential return, even if you're trying to "catch up" for past management errors. And by management I mean accounting department.
Originally Posted By crapshoot <<He is a toy in the present and not in the future.>> Same with Star Tours . . . "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away." Disneyland Monorails; "Transportation system of the future." ? Autopia? Submarines? Inn of convection ovens? Besides Space Mt, . . . . . .what?
Originally Posted By TomSawyer If Tony is finally being let go to create Discovery Bay, then most of his planning is probably already done.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Did I just wake up from a coma or isn't the company spending some rather large bucks in WDW even as we speak?>> Yes, they certainly are and I should have acknowledged that. But I guess I don't see that the Expanded Fantasyland will cone anywhere close to giving the MK the shot in the arm that the DCA upgrades gave that park. You certainly don't see the excitement over the FL changes that you've had with DCA. Meanwhile, WDW's Tomorrowland is in just as bad shape as DL's... perhaps worse (although WDW's TL looks better in my opinion and at least still has the Peooplemover and COP).
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb Although I won't argue that MK's Tomorrowland needs an update as badly as DL's (but please leave the Peoplemover alone!) I don't think from the sharp pencil boys' perspective that MK needs a shot in the arm like DCA did. Their turnstile and first click of the day numbers are just fine. We'll be lucky if either of America's Magic Kingdoms get a nice big cash flow to Tomorrowland, no matter how badly it's needed.
Originally Posted By crapshoot <<What that area of the park needs is an entire Star Wars land!>> I don't know, but the Death Star takes up a big chunk of land.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Now, there is a new rumor Tony Baxter is 'being handed a project'." Oh god. Isn't he the one who screwed it up the last time? I'd like to see some fresh blood on the next big DL project.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "No offense West Coast people, but WDW (especially the MK) is far more in need of desperate help than DL resort. After the massive transfusion given to the DL resort in DCA, isn't it time to send some $$ WDW's way?" Excuse me, but WDW is getting a fabulous new Fantasyland and a major Avatar themed project for Animal Kingdom is in development. In all seriousness, what more do you want? For decades almost all of Disney's benchmark expansion projects happened in Florida. The kind of attention that DLR resort has received over the last decade was about 50 years overdue.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Excuse me, but WDW is getting a fabulous new Fantasyland and a major Avatar themed project for Animal Kingdom is in development.>> I'll believe Avatarland is actually happening at the AK when I see the first shovel of dirt turned.
Originally Posted By crapshoot <<Oh god. Isn't he the one who screwed it up the last time?>> Yes, all by himself with no outside factors. :;:;:;:; <---- Rolling eyes.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Please be Discovery Bay. Please please please. <a href="http://www.theneverlandfiles.com/tnf/disneyland/discoverybay.php" target="_blank">http://www.theneverlandfiles.c...ybay.php</a>
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt <<Oh god. Isn't he the one who screwed it up the last time?>> "Yes, all by himself with no outside factors." Are you trying to suggest that he had no hand in the spectacular failure that was Tomorrowland '98?
Originally Posted By Yookeroo I really wonder why Disney chose Buzz Lightyear for Tomorrowland. He is a toy in the present and not in the future. That ride doesn't fit in any of the Tomorrowlands/Discoverylands around the globe." Start thinking of it a Sci-Fi Land. That's basically what it is.
Originally Posted By crapshoot <<Are you trying to suggest that he had no hand in the spectacular failure that was Tomorrowland '98?>> Dear Dr. H, nothing is cut and dry. And when a project's purse strings are cut, whether due to sponsor pullout, or stakeholder pullback, or by executive orders, the project's original scope plan suffers. And when the project's scope suffers, you end up painting Space Mountain a bizarre color scheme, etc. Unless I am mistaken, you personally have involvement in corporate event planning? Yes? Haven't you experienced clients who have come back with reduced budgets and diminished plans? TL-98 is sort of like that only on a "Oh Crap" scale.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Unless I am mistaken, you personally have involvement in corporate event planning? Yes? Haven't you experienced clients who have come back with reduced budgets and diminished plans?" I've never heard you give Pressler, Baverman, Eisner et al a break for DCA's failure. So why then should Tony get a pass for his lack of vision for Tomorrowland '98? I'm sure there were many different people involved, but from what I understand it was Baxter's baby.
