Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt I know this isn't a popular idea, but I'd like to see some elements of WDW's Fantasyland incorporated into DL's Fantasyland somehow. I especially like the new Beauty and The Beast restaurant and the circus area. Imagine how much space there'd be if Storybook Land and the amphitheater behind it were removed.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Imagine how much space there'd be if Storybook Land<< NoooOOOooo! Do what you want with the amphitheater, but please leave Storybook Land alone!
Originally Posted By DBitz2 Likewise, I would not want to see Storybook Land go. I'm ok with removing Autopia, the Subs and Innoventions. Someone posted an overhead shot of Tomorrowland with the those areas highlighted on MiceChat, which dramatically illustrated to me what a HUGE area it is that could be better utilized for some new things. I could see them using part of it for Tomorrowland and part of it for a Fantasyland expansion. They COULD move Dumbo over there with two spinners like MK and free up the space where Dumbo is now that gets so congested. And, probably have room for another Fantasyland attraction as well. My feeling is, with the limited land available for expansion, the area in question will likely have to go sooner or later. It seems only logical and sensible to me that those attractions, which aren't the most efficient and don't have that great of capacity, make way for better use of the space. This year marks 30 years of my living here and going to DL on a regular basis, so I do have a great fondness for the Subs. But, I would be at peace with them making way for new things. I have no particular fondness for Autopia. Some kind of Autopia would be a better fit for ToonTown, in my opinion, if there must be an Autopia ride. I definitely have no attachment to Innoventions! My hope for a new Tomorrowland is one that is architecturally stunning and includes kinetics. A place that I am compelled to spend time in rather than just passing through. And, that has a few new cool attractions.
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance "I'll trade you one Storybook Land for a Storybook Circus." Leave Storybook Land, but take most of Toontown and incorporate it into part of Fantasyland. That way, Roger Rabbit could stay.
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance By the way, all these rumors have me very excited about even more new stuff coming to the parks.
Originally Posted By Manfried Gee, I wonder how many here pining for Baxter work for him? Huh? One thing we can all agree on, shove Rasulo to the curb.
Originally Posted By lesmisfan as much as I love the subs and autopia and have a great history at Disneyland it would be nice to see something new. Disneyland was never supposed to be a museum and these rides have been around forever. I understand the sentimental memories attached to them but imagine something better for families to enjoy together and create even more memories!
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "Imagine how much space there'd be if Storybook Land and the amphitheater behind it were removed." I'm with you. I suppose the canal boats have some charm, but are really kinda boring. Casey Jr. is just lame. Covers the same ground as the boats, but you're moving to fast to appreciate it. Bulldoze it!
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I'll echo 2oony's "NoooOOOooo!" One man's "boring" is another man's "charming as all get out." And it really doesn't take up that much room.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Actually it does. It stretches all the way from the Small World mall to the area just across from the Village Haus restaurant. Clearing it and the theater would give WDI a huge swath of land to play with.
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance You can get some of the most beautiful pictures from Storybook Land.
Originally Posted By a1stav On the subject of projector bulbs I want to call Al Lutz on this one. There is no way "just the cost of replacement bulbs alone for the underwater projection screens can tally tens of thousands of dollars per month." I have been working as a professional in the AV industry for over 17 years and the costs are nowhere near that much to maintain even the most expensive projection systems. The lifespan of a conventional halogen projector lamp (bulb) is between 2000 and 3500 hours. If the attraction runs an average of 14 hours per day you would need to replace the lamps a maximum of twice per year. The most expensive projector lamps on the market are $450ea. I am not sure how many projectors there are in the ride but let's just say 100 (I would assume less). That is 90K per year. That is averages to $7,500 per month MAX for replacement bulbs. I would assume that they would have put in projection systems with "long life" projector lamps. These average 3500 hours. Also the bulbs bought in bulk could easily cost less than $250ea. If they used these projectors your are looking at replacing lamps only 1.46 times per year running you a cost of about $25,00 for the entire year. If replacement bulbs are a major cost problem with the attraction there are now LCD projection systems that don't need replacement lamps and can run for 20,000+ hours (4 years of daily use) without replacement lamps. If they are indeed spending "tens of thousands of dollars a month" then upgrading to these new projectors would be a no-brainer for cost savings.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Actually it does. It stretches all the way from the Small World mall to the area just across from the Village Haus restaurant. Clearing it and the theater would give WDI a huge swath of land to play with.> StL and the FaLTh together take up quite a bit of room, but StL alone doesn't. No ride that moves at any speed at all could fit there and be anything but super-short (the boats move extremely slowly, and Casey Jr. goes back and forth at least twice and is still over quick.) And the theatre, though misused recently, is still set up as an outdoor theatre, which is something DL has needed since they got rid of the TL stage. (And if they get rid of the Festival area for a FrL expansion, REALLY needed). Together they do take up a bit of space (especially the theatre), but it's actually quite a good use of space - two attractions and a much needed outdoor performance space.
Originally Posted By crapshoot <<There is no way "just the cost of replacement bulbs alone for the underwater projection screens can tally tens of thousands of dollars per month.">> When Nemo was opened those lamps were burning out very quickly and did indeed cost tens of thousands of dollars a month. However, I also believe that the projection system must have been upgraded to a system of which you speak.
Originally Posted By Manfried Why does Disneyland need an "outdoor" stage or any stage for that matter, when the whole place is a stage? I mean does anyone really remember all those live stage shows done on them? No. I think DL entertainment needs to do more like they're doing at DCA and get out of the stage show business unless it is more of an attraction like at DCA.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Well, that's what Animazement was, for instance, which many people thought highly of. Snow White wasn't regarded as highly, but the problem was the show, not the venue.
Originally Posted By a1stav "there are now LCD projection systems that don't need replacement lamps and can run for 20,000+ hours" I meant to write LED projection systems. If they were having problems early on in lamp life they must have not been running the projection rooms cold enough and or not keeping the projector filters clean. I am sure they improved the cooling if this was a problem.
Originally Posted By oodelally A family member just did traditions today. He will be working in TomorrowLand, and he got told today that there is plans for the old people movers track soon. there was no mention of what, just that they had plans in motion for it. So if they do tear down these other things it would screw with whatever thing they have going on the track.
