Originally Posted By FerretAfros "Maybe that's what Disney should build, a loooong queue where you just walk and walk and walk for an hour, snack free ." But they already have the treehouse. : ) In all seriousness, my friend actually went in the treehouse in WDW with a group of people, expecting there to be a ride at the end. It has been known since then as "The Line Ride". It's almost as fun as Bench: The Ride!
Originally Posted By NeverlandClub The model at WDI has three planned attractions on it. They are currently deciding which attraction to build first. Small World, POTC, or Raging Spirit.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney I think for most of us here what comes should be a no-brainer . I think for the people who has to PAY for it, I won't be surprised if we get RS first if it comes.
Originally Posted By gardabble The 3 no-brainer attractions they should be building are the following: POTC, Small World and Haunted Mansion
Originally Posted By danyoung One of the interesting items that I pulled from the Tales from the Laughing Place coverage of HKDL was that the Imagineers are saying that they deliberately underbuilt. Why put in a full slate of dark rides when you have no idea if dark rides will play with your completely new audience? After the mistakes they made in DLP with food and merch, it seems that this approach makes a lot of sense, as long as you follow it up quickly with new attractions tailored for your audience.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss Maybe they should have an attraction that encourages spitting at the targets.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<One of the interesting items that I pulled from the Tales from the Laughing Place coverage of HKDL was that the Imagineers are saying that they deliberately underbuilt. Why put in a full slate of dark rides when you have no idea if dark rides will play with your completely new audience?>> I could buy that argument just a little bit more if they didn't do the EXACT same thing with DCA, WDSP and DAK. Let's not kid ourselves, established marketplace or not, Disney has been doing this for a decade now anyway. It doesn't matter WHERE they build the parks (minus Tokyo of course since they don't put in one yen for it), they always seem to have an excuse why they went the cheap route. DCA is a GOOOOD example (don't worry, I'm not going to recurgitate the last thousand arguments on why it sucks). That place was only introduced with ONE dark ride at opening itself, one, and the thing sit right next door to the original DL where its been well established that people love their dark rides. But I guess their excuse is that DL has TOO many dark rides and so DCA didn't require anymore? Always excuses. Also, if they are THAT worried dark rides may not go over well, fine, but here's a clue: BUILD DIFFERENT RIDES!!! I mean, its almost a non-existant thought that you can build a MK park with some original freakin rides. Its almost like if you don't have these specific cloned rides (even if they DON'T appeal to the people who they are intended for), then something is wrong. Matter of fact, leave out FL altogether and build/create a new land from scratch for this park and put in attractions that are more cultural orientated for the guests. But, yeah, that will take time and effort . This the problem of any corporation I guess, they are so busy looking inward and keeping it 'safe', they sometimes forget what it means to really innovate and bring something different to the table. The last 3 Disney owned parks are a perfect example of that. (Wow, I haven't went in a HKDL rant mode like that in nearly a month. WOW that felt good ;D)
Originally Posted By fredddy "Why put in a full slate of dark rides when you have no idea if dark rides will play with your completely new audience?>> If we follow this kind of judgment, then why should they build a Disney park at all when they don't know if Chinese are going to love a Disney park (because, a Disney park, for me, is a park... full of dark rides !) "After the mistakes they made in DLP with food and merch, it seems that this approach makes a lot of sense" The problem is that this approach of scaled down park is the same that they used for WDS or DCA. And those parks are big flops ! So, I do not think that people want to see empty park...
Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney Great rant, WorldDisney. But it's also quite accurate. Parks need attractions, whether they are built in SoCal, Paris or Hong Kong. The folks who live in different parts of the world aren't a different species. What did Walt say about quality winnning out? And, yes, I agree. They don't have to have a Snow White dark ride. Why not a Mulan one or a Little Mermaid or even Nemo? But anything about waiting for the audience to decide is nothing but spin. Not that I would expect hardhitting reporting from a fanzine like Tales.
Originally Posted By LindsayC Why would you want hard hitting reporting from Tales? The magazine was never designed to be a journalistic style magazine- its set up with “story-style†information to allow people to think about things for themselves. If someone doesn’t agree with the way an imagineer describes something - the spin - you say - then it is the imagineer who has to feel that they can live with what they have said. Would you prefer that we turn around and insult the work of these people and say its just a sham, is that what makes good journalism? We asked alot of the questions that people might consider asking and they were very honest with us. Not all of those answers made it into the magazine, but they did help to guide us in the way that stories were told. They know the areas which need to be addressed and I’m a patient man, I know that I am going to be very interested in the HK story for many years to come. Not every i needs to be dotted or t crossed to maintain that.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORGOCH: Sometimes a cauldron gals feels like SHE's the one who's been hit hard--by a bunch a clap trap from them there execs who talk down ta ev'rybody, pretendin' like they was stupid an' actin' like nobody could see what they was really up ta! I think that's most likely behind what LuvDatDizzy was tryin' ta say--an' us cauldron gals is right there behind him, I wantcha's all ta know!
Originally Posted By danyoung There is an excellent article on MousePlanet about HKDL. The author has visited all of the parks around the world multiple times, and it seemed that he was pretty objective about it all. Good read!
Originally Posted By HongKongDisneyLand which article on MousePlanet? I have just read an article on Miceage about HKDL.
Originally Posted By danyoung ^^ You are absolutely correct - I was thinking of Ted Tamburo's article on MiceAge. Sorry bout that.
Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney DanYoung, I just read the article you referenced and that's the kind of story I (no, not everyone) wants to read. It was well-balanced with the good and bad and didn't overdo either. The photos were nice too, although nothing we haven't seen before. Tales, for me, is more a beautiful exercise in making the parks an academic/art/esthetics discussion. Nothing wrong with that, just not my cup of tea. It doesn't make me 'simple' or 'ignorant'... I'm quite sure it's enjoyed by many in Glendale and other points too. Also, quite fortunate that the Disney Magazine folded right when Tales started as there's a huge demand for Disney fan information in any form. "Why would you want hard hitting reporting from Tales? The magazine was never designed to be a journalistic style magazine- its set up with “story-style†information to allow people to think about things for themselves. If someone doesn’t agree with the way an imagineer describes something - the spin - you say - then it is the imagineer who has to feel that they can live with what they have said. Would you prefer that we turn around and insult the work of these people and say its just a sham, is that what makes good journalism?" Simple answer is: no. (although I would like to attack whomever was the leader Imagineer on that godawful Stitch attraction at the MK.) I just like balance and any publication that requires so much 'access' to WDI and executives, who manage billion dollar assets, is never going to be able or choose to do so. This fella, Ted, obviously isn't tied to anyone at either Disney or MiceAge and I think that's why I found his essay such a pleasant read. As to your journalism question, I would point to publications like the NY Times or Time Magazine. They may do a just-the-facts piece in one section and then have a film/TV/theme park/whatever weigh in with a positive/mixed/negative review elsewhere.
Originally Posted By danyoung >Tales, for me, is more a beautiful exercise in making the parks an academic/art/esthetics discussion. Nothing wrong with that, just not my cup of tea.< I think you summed that up very well. And based on a recent conversation, it seems that the magazine is planning to continue in that vein. So there's 36 bucks I'll keep in my pocket this year.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: The last thing my sisters and I heard was that--before those particular attractions are added to the park--the guests at Hong Kong Disneyland will, first, have to prove themselves worthy of such additions--by spending lots of money on the park and its current roster of attractions. ORGOCH: Don't make no sense ta me. But that's the way the is over there!
