Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> I have been doing this since they started this torture, and I know how to use the scanner. It's your system that sucks and it's inefficient." << I really hate it when people simply drone the "You're not doing it right!" littany at me, when I am already doing it correctly. A better approach is to apologize for the machine while asking me to do it again. Don't tell me I'm doing it wrong. I'm with TDLFAN this one. (On the machines themselves) I'm an engineer, and I know how to do it right. And it still doesn't work correctly the first time a good percentage of the time.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy I won't give in to TDLFAN as easily on the NEED for such a device to help protect undated multi-day tickets. Undated or unexpiring tickets (TDL notwithstanding) is not automatically a bad thing.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I don't have a problem with Disney attempting to "legitimize" tickets. I believe Disney should have plenty of turnstiles and staff available for the crowds to get into a park. It very frustrating when your standing there for 10-15 minutes just to get through the turnstiles and the finger "thingy" only to spend another 10-15 minutes to get through security's checkpoint charlie to get into an actual park. And no one has mentioned yet that a good portion of the time when the finger "thingy" machines are not working properly the cast memebers are just letting people through the gate anyway.
Originally Posted By ChiMike ^^ Two very good points Tom. I think the staffing is the much easier problem to solve.
Originally Posted By MinnieSummer The problem with the CMs just letting people through is that if the scanner doesn't read the ticket then you can't use it for FASTPASS! So then you have to call a CM over who tells you you must be using the wrong ticket even though you only have one. Been there, so frustrating.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost I have gone on record in the past and will continue to do so until I pass from this vast theme park of life, that although an argument can be made that Disney sells their tickets for just "one" person to use, I think an equally strong argument can be made for the fact that it is your property after Disney sells it to you and takes your money. As for effecting sales, yea, it might effect additional sales but they happily already accepted money for that ticket and now are equally happy to keep the money and provide no service for it. How can that be morally OK, but if I sell my share of my ticket to someone else, I am a crook? It's all in one's perspective. I am about to buy four adult 4 day Park Hoppers and three Childrens 4 day park hoppers for my upcoming family gathering. Does that mean that since I was sold the tickets, technically, I can be the only one that can use them. Why am I free to give them away but not to sell them. It's just greed. If they were willing to pay back, at least a portion, of the unused ticket then they could insist on additional money but otherwise I find it unethical. JMHO!
Originally Posted By LadyandtheTramp Finally, it takes 46 posts until someone brings up the point that I thought about upon starting this thread - there is no reason for this other than out and out greed - by Disney. Disney sells X days of admission to their parks - whether it's me that enters, or someone else, Disney has already sold that admission. To attempt to claim that they're doing it for some other reason is a laugh. And as to the difference between WDW and TDL, one fact that you should remember is that the multi-day tickets sold at WDW are in fact dated - so many days from first use. If you want them "open", you pay extra. So Disney has already factored into the equation that having unlimited time to use is worth Y dollars (I think an extra $30, but as an APer, I don't pay much attention to that.) If Disney is so concerned about people reselling tickets, then just eliminate the "no expiration" option, and all of the tickets would be consecutive use.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>WDW are in fact dated - so many days from first use.<< No they are NOT dtaed. They are "time restricted". At TDL.. your 4-day ticket clearly states for eg.. Day 1: TDL June 1st,2006 Day 2: TDS June 2nd, 2006 Day 3: Park hop June 3rd, 2006 Day 4: Park Hop June 4th, 2006 At WDW, you have the option to choose what park and whether you hop or not.. Such luxuries are not given to TDR guests... and that's what I meant by "dated passes".
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<It's all in one's perspective. I am about to buy four adult 4 day Park Hoppers and three Childrens 4 day park hoppers for my upcoming family gathering. Does that mean that since I was sold the tickets, technically, I can be the only one that can use them.>> No. The one allowed to use each ticket is the person who first uses it and does the "finger thingy". If you want to buy the ticket and then give it to me that is fine. But once I've used it, I can't give it to anyone else. Disney's current ticket policies basically provide the purchaser with a volume discount. If I will buy 10 days of admission from Disney, they will charge me less per day than if I just buy 1 day of admission. This is a very common business practice and I don't see anything wrong with it. It also is a reasonable expectation that if a discounted purchase is made based on volume, that the original purchaser will in fact be the person using the ticket. As an example... GM sells automobiles to Hertz at a huge discount because of the high volume of vehicles they buy. Now if Hertz turned around and started selling these brand new vehicles to the general public instead of using them, GM would be rightly upset and would revoke the discount. Disney will "buy back" a ticket in that they will apply unused days on an existing pass to the purchase of a new pass. For instance, I have 3 unused days on a hopper and now want to buy an annual pass. Disney will apply the value of the three unused days and reduce the amount I pay for the annual pass. I really don't see anything ethically wrong with what Disney is doing.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>I think an equally strong argument can be made for the fact that it is your property after Disney sells it to you and takes your money.<< Before the MYW tickets, and outside of APs, I would have agreed with you 100%. Now, they are giving you a HUGE break on additional days. That break in price is contingent on YOU staying longer whether it be within the next 14 days or at some future date. They don't need to worry about marketing to get YOU to stay longer and/or again. YOU will spend even more, theoretically, on hotel nights and food. They want you to spend an extra couple nights in the hotels - not give the next guest coming down for 3 nights a cheaper admission. With the MYW scheme (which again, I'm torn on) it is not fair to everybody else paying a large amount for day 1, day 2, day 3, to have someone else get 3 days admission equivalent to the cost of somebody else's 7th or 8th day cost. >>Why am I free to give them away but not to sell them.<< You're no longer free to do either. Hence, the finger scan. I hope my first response helps you understand why things are different now. >>there is no reason for this other than out and out greed - by Disney. Disney sells X days of admission to their parks - whether it's me that enters, or someone else, Disney has already sold that admission. To attempt to claim that they're doing it for some other reason is a laugh.<< Please reference my above response. I just wanted to add that I'm the first critic of Disney's unadulterated greed. Every company wants to grow their profits, but some of Disney's priorities really questions my own loyalty to the company. THAT SAID, this really is not something reaching to a greedy extreme. It's the same thing as putting a theft-device on leather coat. They'd be incompetent if they didn't do finger scans on this new ticket pricing scheme. It's not an issue of greed, it's an issue of competence. Again, with the old, more straight-forward pricing of A-E tickets, or daily passports, I would very much agree that it wasn't unethical to resell them. But even in the past years before MYW, the 5th or 6th day were slightly cheaper and really meant for the original purchaser. With MYW, I can't fine any justification that a resale is anything but dishonest.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>And as to the difference between WDW and TDL, one fact that you should remember is that the multi-day tickets sold at WDW are in fact dated - so many days from first use. If you want them "open", you pay extra. So Disney has already factored into the equation that having unlimited time to use is worth Y dollars (I think an extra $30, but as an APer, I don't pay much attention to that.)<< I'm sorry but I feel that you are missing the difference between the TDR date specific program and WDW's MYW 14-day expiration. Upon purchase of the dated TDR tickets one must specify the date of attendance up-front. With MYW somebody can buy the 14-day expy tickets, but not start using them for 6 months. You don't have to give WDW a date upfront. >>If Disney is so concerned about people reselling tickets, then just eliminate the "no expiration" option, and all of the tickets would be consecutive use.<< That's not all their concerned about. It's not that easy. They don't want 14-day expy tickets to be sold like DL tickets are. A lot of DL tickets are resold before they are even used. The original recipient uses a 6 day hopper for 3 days and arranges to sell or hand-off the remaining 3 days to someone who is planning their trip right after. I really don't blame Disney for cracking down on this. To me, they have to use the finger scans to crack down on this and if they're going to do that it's a complete bonus for guests to have the no-expy option.
Originally Posted By ChiMike Oh, YEAH, what TDLFAN and RoadTrip said! I do like TDR's approach. I also like the higher prices.
Originally Posted By GMouse >>Disney's current ticket policies basically provide the purchaser with a volume discount. If I will buy 10 days of admission from Disney, they will charge me less per day than if I just buy 1 day of admission. This is a very common business practice and I don't see anything wrong with it.<< I totally agree with you RoadTrip. I also don't mind Disney confirming that it's me using the ticket by using biometrics. It's not a big-brother thing in my opinion. They don't even know who you are if you paid cash for the ticket. Besides, I'm sure each ticket has a unique ID number so they could track the same information even without biometrics.
Originally Posted By GrumpysWife As we live far away and don't get down there too often, we like to stay for more than a day or two (especially given WDW's size). I appreciate the fact that I can add days on to our tickets at a greatly reduced price. About the point that the days are already purchased so why does it matter who uses them, if you take that theory out to an (admittedly) absurd level apply it to AP's. You've paid to go into the parks every day if you wish, so why does it matter who uses the AP? Again, a silly comparison, but I think it goes to the mindset of making sure that all days on the tickets are used by the original guest.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> You've paid to go into the parks every day if you wish, so why does it matter who uses the AP? << Okay. Suppose I buy an AP and then give it to each one of 365 of my friends to go to the park one day for free. THIS makes sense? How about if I just buy one copy of a CD and make copies of it for all my friends. After all, it IS mine.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy When you buy tickets for use at a park, you don't have carte blanche with them. You have to use them according to the rules specified when you bought them. It says so right on the ticket. That includes rules about not sharing them with people who didn't buy them originally.
Originally Posted By GrumpysWife >>When you buy tickets for use at a park, you don't have carte blanche with them. You have to use them according to the rules specified when you bought them. It says so right on the ticket. That includes rules about not sharing them with people who didn't buy them originally.<< ssWEDguy - you made my point exactly!
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>Disney's current ticket policies basically provide the purchaser with a volume discount. If I will buy 10 days of admission from Disney, they will charge me less per day than if I just buy 1 day of admission. This is a very common business practice and I don't see anything wrong with it.<< No one is saying this is wrong. Certainly not me. But that is not the way things are done at TDR sadly... because, you do not need more than 3 or 4 days to see and do it all! >>I do like TDR's approach. I also like the higher prices.<< Maybe I am the one who sees the difference between having a day and park specific as a "dated" ticket, as opposed to a ticket that expires within a certain time, which to me means "time restrictive" and NOT "dated". But in reagrds to the higher prices at TDR versus WDW... and NOT taking account the AP options, which at TDR is much much pricier than WDW's... The costliest (non-annual) passport at TDR is the 4-day adult with sells for Y17,200, which based on today's exchange rate, it would cost $152.75 US rate. So, who much is the basic 4-day pass at WDW (without hopping or other add ons..)???
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Oh yeah.. A WDW 4-day basic passport (no hopping, no "no expiration", no whatever) is $171.00 *plus* tax!! A TDR 4-day 4-day passport (dated to 4 days in a row with automatic park hopping on days 3 and 4) would be $152.75 by today's exchange rate... So ChiMike... how is that more expensive that WDW's????
Originally Posted By xrayvision Although DLR guest may not have 4-5 passes, those of us who do travel 300+ miles to visit Disney are using 2-3 multi-day passes and enjoy either park-hopping or temporarily leaving the park and returning later in the day. If the scanner also replaces the use of re-entry handstamping, I would prefer a biometric scanner to eliminate the worry of accidently washing off handstamps when you want to swim/take a shower and re-enter the Disney parks later that day. I currently use bandaids, hold my arm out of the shower/pool or only wash one hand to protect my re-entry handstamp, which sounds silly but is vital if I want to re-enter the parks. And regarding sanitation, handstamp aren't that sanitary either, stamping hundreds/thousands of hands daily with the same stamper. What if someone has a contagious skin condition..is that being trasferred from person to person via handstamping?
