Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> I would prefer a biometric scanner to eliminate the worry of accidently washing off handstamps << I think handstamps are gone forever. They have been gone for a year now at all 4 parks. They're going with the magnetic entry pass readers and the biometrics. ---------------- NEWS -- I've heard the magnetic stripes are going to go away too. They're going instead with the 3D bar codes. These are much more reliable than the magnetics, and read MUCH faster than the standard 2D barcodes on most retail objects. ----------------
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Here's an idea. Why can't we use our Disney Visa cards for a ticket? Why can't we just buy days on our Disney Visa cards for entry into the parks? The Visa cards are pretty secure and far better than a paper ticket.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN But you can buy tickets with your Disney Visa at the windows or online... seems redundant to me.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>Now if Hertz turned around and started selling these brand new vehicles to the general public instead of using them, GM would be rightly upset and would revoke the discount.<<< You're sure about that? I'm not! You're refering to company policy and I am refering to property rights. I will say it again, discounted or not, why is it ethical to sell a days admission and then not honor it. They got the money, they had no overhead against that particular ticket with the exception of the paper it was printed on. The purchaser or user has no recourse except to loose the investment and Disney gets to walk to the bank with the cash. Happy ending for them isn't it? With this system I can't even give away my purchased property. It must be wasted, with the only winner being Disney. It's company policy not the 11th commandment. It's self serving company policy on top of that. I know that I have to "obey" the rules but that doesn't mean I have to agree with them. My personality and background just causes my spin to quake when I see people acting like herded cattle, willingly, without protest and happily letting their rights be stomped on in the name of private commerce. Wrong is wrong no matter what spin people put on it. Since I have no choice, apparently, I will continue to go to Disney because I use my tickets completely but I know that someday I will encounter the occasion when I will be left holding the receipt for zero service and then you can believe I will be extremely upset.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> GM would be rightly upset and would revoke the discount.<<< >> You're sure about that? << Yes, I'm sure. Because Hertz would be doing something with the cars that they agreed not to do when the discount was given. >> I will encounter the occasion when I will be left holding the receipt for zero service and then you can believe I will be extremely upset. << Jeeminey. Even if you bought tickets that didn't expire, and then found out that you were going to have to leave WDW earlier than you planned -- Disney would probably let you extend them to be unexpired. (For the extra cost, yes) Would they give you your money back without extending? Less likely of that. That's what you agreed to when you bought the ticket at a discounted price. This isn't just a Disney thing. This is business, and a multi-use discounted model based on the fact that a single individual will use the ticket.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>Yes, I'm sure. Because Hertz would be doing something with the cars that they agreed not to do when the discount was given.<<< Why would GM care? They sold the same amount of cars that would have been sold anyway. The discounted price for these people would probably be the same thing that they charge their dealers. We, obviously disagree and that's OK. My feelings on the subject are strong and I have really not heard a reason that is strong enough to sway my opinion. I am now and always have been a stickler for my rights and what I should expect for my money. I feel that when I purchased that ticket it became my property because I paid for it. Disney, at that point, surrendered their ownership by accepting my cash. In my opinion it is the same as retail stores selling Gift Certificates with an expiration date. What?? Since when does cash payment become expirable? Yet they do it by means of "company policy". That does not make it right. Let me again explain that I know many disagree with me and everyone should do or feel whatever why they want. These are my feelings about the subject, everyone else is free to make their own decisions.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> I feel that when I purchased that ticket it became my property because I paid for it. Disney, at that point, surrendered their ownership by accepting my cash. << When you bought the ticket, it was with the understanding of the rules, which include not being able to resell or transfer the ticket. In that sense, yes, you own what you bought. By saying that you have the right to sell it after you have agreed not to, you are in breach of contract. ------------------- I'm pretty sure you still won't understand this. -------------------
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy With one variation. I think if you buy a multi-day discounted, non-transferrable ticket that everybody else can buy you CAN probably resell it legally or even at discount if you do so BEFORE you use a single day on it. It would be all or nothing. In this case you truly own it and can resell it.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Well... I saw and used the new single finger scanner today at the MK. Much simpler to use...just place your pointer finder on the scanner spot and presto. Still, it took 3 times before the turnstyle read me correctly and allowed me in.. And when I say three times, I mean I had to re-insert my AP *and* finger before the computer did it's job correctly... meaning, no progress in regards to the efficiency of the system.
Originally Posted By marc66 I was just there yesterday and I didn't see this. Were they on the right or left side?
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Turnstyles on the right hand side of Mickey's floral face, closest to the Ferry boats.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy I've never noticed -- do the CM's use a cleaner on the readers multiple times during the day? I'm thinking they should do such a thing, if for no other reason than to make them more reliable and read faster.
Originally Posted By -em I mustve gone to the "old" side on Fri because the scanners were the same old thing The whole steps guide was different but made sense... I'll have to remember to go to the new side next time Im by MK Today is Epcot day -em
Originally Posted By CMM1 Quote by Goofyernmost: "I have gone on record in the past and will continue to do so until I pass from this vast theme park of life, that although an argument can be made that Disney sells their tickets for just "one" person to use, I think an equally strong argument can be made for the fact that it is your property after Disney sells it to you and takes your money" Well, if that is the case, then what Disney is really selling the buyer is a "personal license" to use Disney "services", are they not? And, at some point, why even bother to have a ticket? At the point of purchase, proper "identification" is scanned and then for any future transactions all that is needed is for the person to show up and make themselves identified to the system. Yikes - this sounds like some futuristic novel doesn't it?
Originally Posted By CMM1 Question was brought up about GM offering Hertz a special price for cars to be used for rental purposes and then being upset if Hertz turned around and sold cars for a low price: "Why would GM care? They sold the same amount of cars that would have been sold anyway. The discounted price for these people would probably be the same thing that they charge their dealers." Not true - GM was essentially providing a discounted product to Hertz for Hertz to use in a particular manner (as rentals) and thus if Hertz sells that product at lower than established market prices it would hurt GM business. I'm sure GM would make sure via contract that any sales of such vehicles down the road by Hertz would follow acceptable guidelines for discounting. I agree with those who keep brining up the point that Disney is essentially providing discounted admissions for those guests willing to go to the parks for extended periods of time and/or pay the appropriate surcharges to get a ticket to allow them to return in the future after that initial purchase. But again, you have to think of this as a "license for services" sold to the individual rather than as a standalone product. It seems to me that Disney is well within their rights to validate/enforce that licensing as they need to - if they feel that they can't, then it seems like their only recourse would be to curtail the system and simply sell tickets in a manner simpler for them to police or without such discounts.
Originally Posted By CMM1 Might as well take this argument full circle - what would that simpler form of media or tickets be? What about the old ticket books? They had an admission ticket and then individual ride coupons of various levels. All could be barcoded and each ticket would have a value associated with it, so once it was paid for Disney already had gotten fair market value for that coupon. Of course, all of these could be barcoded now but there you go - any easy and efficient means of ensuring Disney always got a fair market value for any ticket being used in their park. Oh yeah - for those of you concerned about your beloved Fastpass, the barcoded admission ticket could be used to get an FP according to the current plan. What's the song? "Everything Old is New Again"
Originally Posted By LadyandtheTramp Was at the MK Saturday, and the left hand side entry still required the two-finger insertion.
Originally Posted By KarenCPA We were at WDW 6/9 - 6/17. We went with another family. We purchased "no expiration" options on our tickets because we visit frequently. They did not. On the last day, some of them still had a day left on their ticket. My husband used the other dad's ticket at EPCOT. He put his first two fingers in the scanner, and had no problem using the ticket, even though a different person had used it a few days earlier. k
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy The scanners are not 100% fullproof. They are just LARGELY accurate. To prevent wholesale fraud at least.
