Originally Posted By mousermerf Pull up bing maps and Bird's Eye View your way around World Showcase Of what's left and what's not inundated with backstage multi-use buildings, Outpost's plot is massive. All the others would be retail and a small dark ride at best - Outpost, if removed, could be a major E-ticket.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros From looking at Google Earth, they could use the space between France and Morocco pretty easily. It looks like there are a couple trailers (singlewides) back there, but they would be laughably easy to move. By taking those out, the pad is at least as large as France or Morocco, before hitting what seems to be a boneyard of sorts, which could also be moved. There's a single-wide and a double-wide between Morocco and Japan, but it looks like there's a building directly behind that, which would make it tougher to expand much beyond the size of the neighboring pavillions. The area between the Outpost and Germany seems to be fairly clear. There are a couple small buildings back there, but they could build the pavillion at an angle if they are too important to rebuild. There's also space on either side of the UK. The one by the International Gateway might not have enough room (there's only a bus turnaround back there, so not messing stuff up backstage) from the promenade, so that's doubtful. If they wanted to remove the Millenium tent, they'd have a great space to use, but I doubt that will happen any time soon. I think the west side of WS needs some weight, so my vote would be the spot between France and Morocco. Anywhere they put it, I'll be pretty excited about it. Especially if there's an attraction involved. Now let's get those other attractions moving for the pavillions that are already done!
Originally Posted By mousermerf So let's start on Canada-side and work our way around. We know Canada and Imagination almost touch. World Showplace is wedged between Canada and UK. It's undergoing yearly(ish) inspections, and assuming is passes, it's staying. It curves around the back of the UK pavilion. There a tiny bit of land by the UK pavilion, but that is left over from when International Gateway was carved out and then World Showplace. The way the backstage roads line up it's an island and a small one at that. Really it's better left as landscaping. The UK could use it by getting rid of the gardens to make a building - but not a new pavilion. Past International Gateway, we come to France and then the first viable plot between France and Morocco. <a href="http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=nqv51r863k3c&scene=55086188&lvl=1&sty=b&where1=Epcot%20Center%2C%20FL" target="_blank">http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&...%2C%20FL</a> Lets hope that link works. Look how small it is, it's roughly the same size as the Morocco pavilion exactly - though it can go completely back to the backstage road. That "thing" though? Zoom in a little. It's a giant staging/sorting area for Epcot. I guess they can move it, but it's been there a very long time. It's like a quarry for lack of a better term. Moving on... Morocco/Japan plot: <a href="http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=nqv3pz863nfc&scene=55086188&lvl=1&sty=b&where1=Epcot%20Center%2C%20FL" target="_blank">http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&...%2C%20FL</a> Even smaller, and those are buildings not trailers - they aint going anywhere easily. I forget what they're used for, but they are used. Remember, much of what goes on at WDW is run from Epcot. Next, flanking both sides of the American Adventure is space, but small amounts. Not really worth discussing, it's moreso unused by AA or Japan or mostly Italy. Italy/Germany: <a href="http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=nqv4r7863ygb&scene=36395289&lvl=2&sty=b&where1=Epcot%20Center%2C%20FL" target="_blank">http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&...%2C%20FL</a> Massive building. I don't remember exactly, but i'm almost positive that's Magic Music Days rehearsal/teaching space. Note the giant bus parking spaces. That is not going anywhere without a fight. Outpost: <a href="http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=nqv8b88641vz&scene=17483868&lvl=1&sty=b&where1=Epcot%20Center%2C%20FL" target="_blank">http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&...%2C%20FL</a> It's mostly used for staging festival displays and such. It's huge. The guest area built, as you can see, is tiny. I don't know why people want to keep the cola/frozen coke stand - I'm sure we can lobby for any pavilion to include a rethemed one of maybe have a new one built in Animal Kingdom. And then there's Mexico/Norway and that's chock full of backstage buildings.. So.. tear down the Outpost?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer Not a bad run up, Merf. Well done. The information offered, of course, is true, but they ARE trailers. It's Disney. They've done nuttier things. If anything, I would expect the outpost to kick it or even WSplace. I would prefer if they were to move the trailers, of course. heh.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Give the ammount of construction that it would require to build even the simplest of pavillions (excluding something Outpost-scaled), the work required to move the trailers backstage around is minimal. Construction offices are almost always in trailers, which are moved to and from each site during the work. Of course the ones backstage at Epcot have been in place longer and would be more difficult to move, but I bet they still have axles on them, which is more than most buildings. They could even reuse them after they've moved them to a new location nearby. And yes, they may be important, but I'm sure they aren't anything the resort couldn't live without or relocate for a while during the construction. If they manage to make construction projects like repaving Main Street work by splitting it up into various phases, I bet they can handle moving some trailers backstage. And a couple of those buildings seem like they probably aren't being used any more. The one right next to Germany appears to be a left over parade barn from the Tapestry days (there are identical copies of it between Mexico and Norwas as wellas between the UK and International Gateway), which makes me think that it would be fair game. That makes half of the Outpost plot available without having to remove the Outpost (though it wouldn't be a big loss). Yes, there may be important facilities behind some of the pavillions, but just because they're important doesn't mean that they can't be moved. As you said, some of them are general operations offices, which would imply that they don't really need to be at any specific location, let alone backstage at a certain park. The size of construction project they would need to build a new pavillion would be far greater than any small-scale site clearing that would need to go on before they can begin. Using that logic, the pizzaria in Italy couldn't have gone in because there are a couple little sheds back there, and the quick service place in Mexico would be impossible because there was a restuarant in the way. They managed to find a way around those problems just fine...
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 I'd have to ask, but when I last heard (not that long ago) I was told there were five suitable expansion pads in WS. I doubt anything has changed that. And that's not moving the World Showplace, which likely just finished being paid off the way Disney plays with its building costs. No pavilions are going anywhere. And I doubt very much that any are going to be built for a decade if ever. This stopped being a priority, or even a concern for TDO sometime back in the mid 90s. The thread almost reminds me of a MAGICal one, though. Much ado about very little that hasn't been discussed ad nauseum. Still, it's good to see life here.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Wow, someone needs to get a boyfriend.>> Apparently, no one in Glendale was interested (should consider himself lucky on that count). But I hear Ricky Martin might be on the market. Who could have seen that one coming?
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^I like it Merfie. Answering sarcasm with like. Keep up the good work!
Originally Posted By dshyates Ohh, Ricky is cute too. But back to WS. I am holding out for The Netherlands. It could be a small area next to France with a gift shop (wooden shoes and china with blue windmills). The main attraction would simple be a "Coffee House".
Originally Posted By mousermerf Oh.. I haven't this hard in a while, it's brought a tear to my eye.. <a href="http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=566015" target="_blank">http://forums.wdwmagic.com/sho...t=566015</a> That's comedy gold kids.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>>I'd have to ask, but when I last heard (not that long ago) I was told there were five suitable expansion pads in WS. I doubt anything has changed that. And that's not moving the World Showplace, which likely just finished being paid off the way Disney plays with its building costs. No pavilions are going anywhere. And I doubt very much that any are going to be built for a decade if ever. This stopped being a priority, or even a concern for TDO sometime back in the mid 90s. The thread almost reminds me of a MAGICal one, though. Much ado about very little that hasn't been discussed ad nauseum. Still, it's good to see life here.<<<< 5 Major ones, TONS of tiny ones, like the ones that border the AA. I doubt the retheming of a Pavilion as well... That's near impossible, unless they want to demo tons of detailed facade.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> And the peanut gallery begins to do more damage then good again.. If you're going to suggest a parade or more landscaping is good for Epcot instead of a new ride for World Showcase I suggest you high tail it back to more Magical places. << At least I can go back, and post anytime I want to. How about you Merf. I don't think you have fully grasp the concept of a discussion forum. I post what I believe, and you post what you believe. Streetmosphere, and horticulture are big issues for me when it comes to Epcot. I feel those 2 things are at the heart of why I enjoy Epcot so much. Rides are a very minor part of the experience for me. And now that EE brought it up, I think a quality parade would help also, along with later park hours. Would I like a new country or a ride? Sure I would. It's just not the most important things to me. BRING BACK BUBBLES NICHOLAS!!!!!!
