Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 "I dunno, there's something fishy to me about this news. It's hard to believe that DL would consider moving forward with a major Frontierland expansion project without 1) addressing Tomorrowland and 2) without a major proven movie franchise to exploit with a connection to the Frontierland theme." You should have read the article Hans. Al addresses both these comments.
Originally Posted By DBitz2 For you "young-uns" who need an edumacation on what Circle D Ranch is, here's a good article about it from the D23 site - <a href="http://d23.disney.go.com/articles/072910_NF_FEAT_CircleD.html" target="_blank">http://d23.disney.go.com/artic...leD.html</a> There will be a test later!
Originally Posted By mickeymorris1234 Wow, I knew Disneyland had a large animal population but the number of animals at Circle D surprised me. 26 horses, 23 goats, sheep, two cockatoos, and three presidential pardendend turkeys. Plus all the dogs that security uses and somehow this five acre area of land is kept looking great, and invisible to guests both inside and outside the park with the mysterious trucks bringing them in and out of the resort like magic.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "You should have read the article Hans. Al addresses both these comments." I did read it. I must have overlooked those details.
Originally Posted By leemac I've said it before and I'll say it again - there would need to be a wholesale change in both attitude and incentivization of DLR management or the Festival Arena space to be used for attractions - it is just too profitable as a space-for-hire. It is the single most profitable location in the resort. And it is virtually irreplaceable. Concepts are always being worked up for pads around the resort - this isn't anything new.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt I don't understand why other parts of DLR couldn't be utilized the same way that Festival Arena is now freeing up that space for developement. Hollywood Pictures Backlot seems like one logical spot for private corporate functions. Glow Fest and ElecTRONica have shown how well the area works for event and the new TOT access through A Bugs Land means that the thrill ride can stay open to regular guests during an event over there. I'm sure there are other areas in the parks that could work too.
Originally Posted By tashajilek I spend the least amount of time in FL. It would be nice to see something new.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Hollywood Pictures Backlot seems like one logical spot for private corporate functions. >> One easy answer - it isn't in Disneyland. Corporates will never pick DCA over DL when given a choice.
Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance Then you don't give them a choice! You tell them it's my way or the high way, and if you can't take the heat, then get out of the kitchen!!!!!
Originally Posted By TP2000 Single most profitable location in Disneyland? Who would think? The Festival Arena is just a big cement pad with a cheap stage and some aging Hunchback decor still left around the perimeter. It would seem to me that if they needed to carve out a new space for corporate picnics and school events they could use the very similarly sized Fantasyland Theater facility and its general space for such a thing. Then again, the Festival Arena was used daily for entertainment back in the mid 1990's for the Hunchback of Notre Dame show, and somehow they survived without having open access to it for corporate picnics. It would take some planning and investment in updating an existing space, but taking that arena off the corporate event-planning calendar is likely something Disneyland could recover from.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "One easy answer - it isn't in Disneyland. Corporates will never pick DCA over DL when given a choice." Fair enough. What about the Fantasyland Theater area? Or how about designing whatever replaces the Festival Arena space to be suitable for private parties? Or blocking off Tomorrowland? I really find it hard to believe that it's so complicated.
Originally Posted By leemac <<they could use the very similarly sized Fantasyland Theater facility >> You answered your own question in the next paragraph - the theater space is already owned by Attractions - there is no chance of that space becoming anything but an upgraded theater in the future. DL is a host of fiefdoms - Attractions, Merch and F&B don't like sharing their toys. F&B will want to be appropriately compensated if they are to lose the Arena. I don't believe there is an adequate replacement.
Originally Posted By TP2000 I can't believe it's that complicated either Hans. But I can believe it's become very easy for them to shill this dead space for private parties for the last 10 years. It's just a big cement pad in the trees that sits empty until the event planner for Spacely Sprockets wants to throw a picnic and they call Disneyland. Then Disneyland sets up some tables and serve rubber chicken sandwiches and charge huge amounts of money. For extra cash you can get a banjo player or cowboy Goofy to flail around on the stage for 20 minute sets. There are other spaces around the property they can use for corporate picnics and high school award ceremonies. But the gravy train they've gotten used to at Festival Arena will require a bit more work, that's all.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "You answered your own question in the next paragraph - the theater space is already owned by Attractions - there is no chance of that space becoming anything but an upgraded theater in the future." But if, as you say, Festival Arena is such a huge profit center it would only seem logical that The Powers That Be would lay down the law and give Attractions the boot from the area. Attractions would be gaining a new section by taking over Festival Arena.
Originally Posted By tashajilek "Then Disneyland sets up some tables and serve rubber chicken sandwiches " Your right they do taste like rubber lol.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "But I can believe it's become very easy for them to shill this dead space for private parties for the last 10 years." No kidding. It seems to me that if that is indeed the case they'd want to maximize potential profits by improving the offerings. I get that various factions might quarrel over the particulars, but surely the person(s) running the place have the authority to make decisions that consider the long term development of the parks, not just the day to day entitlements of this or that division.
