New DVC a done deal ...

Originally Posted By vbdad55

<<Don't forget, we DVC'ers are paying the salaries of DVC Resort Cast. LOL>>

You own a peanut farm?
---- now that was clever

 

Originally Posted By vbdad55

Since DVC is real estate it is tightly regulated at both the state and federal level. I doubt too much monkey business ccould go on with the the fees.
---- of course it can't--but that wouldn't fit the rant RT

 

Originally Posted By vbdad55

Oh, and I'm bummed about developing all the beautiful land on property. That "wilderness" is what allows me to feel like I've been transported to another time and place. But that's a different piece to the puzzle.
---- and you're right - it is a completely different piece of the puzzle, but one I think needs to be watched....I too do not want to see all that land go away just because DVC pays for itself..I can get behind that line of thought. There has to be a time when building stops of the feel of WDW will be gone

 

Originally Posted By vbdad55

Or if they are spending time planning DVC's, is there time left to be planning park enhancements. In my mind, it isn't whether or not the DVC is directly harmful, but do they have too many "children" now at TDO to bother giving each one the individual attention they need to thrive?
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COULD there be something to that - maybe. However I doubt Imagineers are working on DVC units. The focus, or lack of focus on the parks likely has to do with several things
1/ Economy today not exactly condusive for expansion without guaranteed ROI
2/ Of course they will build DVC units that bring in hard cash P/E ratio's control many things for a corp. from interest rates to ability to secure bonds
3/ Maybe the top management has lost sight of the park vision..I hope not but surely it is feasible
4/ creativity in this country is at an all time low- one need look no further than reality TV, remakes of everything from tv series to movies to music..maybe they are either low on ideas ( good ones not like Poo playground type ideas) -or maybe they are no longer attracting the right person for those roles
5/ lastly- and the one I fear most...maybe the day of the parks as we love them are comig to an end ? This is the one that scaresme the most of the 5..at my age I can point to so many wonderful things that have come and gone in my lifetime..nothing shocks me anymore.

 

Originally Posted By RoadTrip

<<>>I think it is pretty obvious that Disney is making more money with Hotels/DVC than new attractions.<<>>

Why is it that DVC always takes the grief over this development and not the hotels? Since 1990 Disney has opened 14 non-DVC hotels. There are a total of only 7 DVC resorts, and they have just a fraction of the total units that the hotels have.

AK Villas 458
Bay Lake Tower 295
Beach Club Villas 205
Boardwalk Villas 383
Old Key West 761
Saratoga Springs 612 (includes 60 treehouse units)
Wilderness Lodge Villas 136

TOTAL WDW DVC Units: 2,850

By comparison just the All Star Sports, Music and Movies at 1,920 units each total 5,760 units.

So WHY is all the criticism directed at DVC? I'd hate to be a Republican and say it is class envy... ;-)

Information on total units from www.allears.net

 

Originally Posted By HokieSkipper

<<before your eyes stay permanently in the back of your head like I am sure your mother told you once or twice like all Mom's do-- please point to the refrence that makes this claim - and from whom ?>>

Your DVC buddy RoadTripper said that DVCers do their part more for the parks because they pay more.

 

Originally Posted By HokieSkipper

<<Why is it that DVC always takes the grief over this development and not the hotels? Since 1990 Disney has opened 14 non-DVC hotels. There are a total of only 7 DVC resorts, and they have just a fraction of the total units that the hotels have.>>

You apparently don't read the boards very much, or you'd see that the new Art of Animation resort is getting some ire, and before we knew this project was DVC it wasn't received too warmly.

 

Originally Posted By RoadTrip

<<Your DVC buddy RoadTripper said that DVCers do their part more for the parks because they pay more.>>

Ummm... yes and no. Your actual claim was...

<<So now DVCers are better than locals or Cast Members?>>

I never said we were BETTER. I was answering claims that DVC did not cover the cost it took to maintain the units. By outlining what we pay in maintenance fees I think I showed quite clearly that DVC does indeed pay it's own way.

I was just turning that around and asking how another group of people paid THEIR fair share of maintenance expense. If it is a fair question for one group of Disney guests it is certainly a fair question for any other group.

By the way... no one has even attempted to answer my question... only taken pot shots at the question itself.

<<Now, could someone here please tell me how a local who never stays on site and pays a grand total of $404 for a Florida annual pass is in ANY WAY WHATSOEVER covering their fair share of maintenance?>>

 

Originally Posted By HokieSkipper

Right. You're saying you're better than locals without saying it.

Gotcha.

 

Originally Posted By vbdad55

<<before your eyes stay permanently in the back of your head like I am sure your mother told you once or twice like all Mom's do-- please point to the refrence that makes this claim - and from whom ?>>

Your DVC buddy RoadTripper said that DVCers do their part more for the parks because they pay more.

--- he didn't say it made them better. a different connotation to that phrase don't you think .
AS far as paying more- more than the average guest - you bet -- more than APers' ( simple math ) -and note many DVC'er are ALSO AP's- so paying again -- more than cast members-- I would not try and do math there as there are too many variables and cast members contribute in many ways that are not monetary.. and I have a ton of respect for them.

But NO WHERE did he say DVC'ers we better - or superior too , or anything even remotely like that.

oh and yeah- he is my buddy and for that I am grateful

 

Originally Posted By vbdad55

Right. You're saying you're better than locals without saying it.

Gotcha.
--- Hokie Skipper now a mind reader-- geez Louise

the Q&A was simple math as was the question that was asked- you for some reason want to make this personal...I have no idea why that would be but I can tell you it's really tiresome..try sticking to the facts without making stuff up.

 

Originally Posted By vbdad55

oh yeah, and I suppose not DVCers are also Locals ?

and if you're trying to make this somehow a class warfare thing - first off that isn't working very well for the party in the White House right now either..
DVCers are far from being made up of some other class - willing to bet the vast majority are middle class, looking to try and save a buck on future vacations. Rich people don't have to do that - doesn't matter to them. We are regular Joe's like everyone else -- sorry to disappoint

 

Originally Posted By RoadTrip

<<the Q&A was simple math as was the question that was asked- you for some reason want to make this personal...I have no idea why>>

vbdad... it makes about as much sense as the other shots taken at DVC. For some reason the letters D, V and C make people lose all reason. Disney should really avoid them in the future. Maybe it is just the letters D and C. DCA seems to elicit much the same reaction as DVC. ;-)

As you've said, DVC'ers are really the best thing fans of the Florida parks have going for them. The people who make the big trip to WDW once or twice in a lifetime have no idea that merchandise has been standardized to the point of irrelevance. They have no idea that menus at the Table Service restaurants have half the offerings they used to have. They have no idea that Fantasmic used to be offered 7 days a week.

With DVC Florida now has a significant group of people like the Disneyland AP'ers... a group that ROUTINELY visits the parks and NOTICES when things go downhill. A group that has a SIGNIFICANT amount of money invested in the WDW experience; a group that the WDW Suits listen to.

So why the hostility? I really can't figure it out.

 

Originally Posted By MousDad

>>a group that the WDW Suits listen to.<<

Okay, I've been listening to this for several pages, and sorry, I'm not buying the DVC-owners as DL AP equivalent / Knights in Shining Armor angle.

You're locked in for life, whether you like the product or not. DL AP'ers can choose to renew or not every year.

In that respect, DVC owners are at a distinct disadvantage compared to a concerned local / general park-going base.

 

Originally Posted By HokieSkipper

<<Okay, I've been listening to this for several pages, and sorry, I'm not buying the DVC-owners as DL AP equivalent / Knights in Shining Armor angle. >>

Oh come now MousDad! They do more than anyone for the resort maintenance! Of course Disney listens to them!

 

Originally Posted By HokieSkipper

<<oh yeah, and I suppose not DVCers are also Locals ?

and if you're trying to make this somehow a class warfare thing - first off that isn't working very well for the party in the White House right now either..
DVCers are far from being made up of some other class - willing to bet the vast majority are middle class, looking to try and save a buck on future vacations. Rich people don't have to do that - doesn't matter to them. We are regular Joe's like everyone else -- sorry to disappoint>>

Class warfare? Me thinks someone is taking things too seriously.

 

Originally Posted By HokieSkipper

<<As you've said, DVC'ers are really the best thing fans of the Florida parks have going for them. The people who make the big trip to WDW once or twice in a lifetime have no idea that merchandise has been standardized to the point of irrelevance. They have no idea that menus at the Table Service restaurants have half the offerings they used to have. They have no idea that Fantasmic used to be offered 7 days a week.>>

Right. Because obviously the DVCers have helped all of that significantly.

Haha

 

Originally Posted By MPierce

>> As you've said, DVC'ers are really the best thing fans of the Florida parks have going for them. The people who make the big trip to WDW once or twice in a lifetime have no idea that merchandise has been standardized to the point of irrelevance. They have no idea that menus at the Table Service restaurants have half the offerings they used to have. They have no idea that Fantasmic used to be offered 7 days a week. <<

I totally agree, and have been saying this for a long time. However as VBDAD has pointed out to me in the past that DVCers are a very diversified group spread out over a very large area of this country, and others. While they certainly can have an impact on WDW, it would be to a much less degree than the APers in DL. After considering the situation that has become my opinion.

 

Originally Posted By RoadTrip

<<Right. Because obviously the DVCers have helped all of that significantly.

Haha>>

Give us time. It took a LONG time for the DL AP'er to get things turned around at that park. Let's check back and see how things look after the recession. The cutbacks in hours and the introduction of the horrendous DDP were all taken to offset decreased attendance over the past several years.

 

Originally Posted By HokieSkipper

<<The cutbacks in hours and the introduction of the horrendous DDP were all taken to offset decreased attendance over the past several years.>>

Decreased attendance? I must have missed something.

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