Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>It's just like GMC dunping Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Saturn, and Hummer.<< It's more like GM bringing out a new car model with shiny paint, slick exterior, sleek design and choosing not to update the interior.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>DVC owners are the whales of the theme park industry.<< Endangered?
Originally Posted By leobloom >> really ? nothing better to do than take a shot over something like that ? << It's either that or watch the Rays stink it up. Besides, I don't really care if you use >> << or -- or !! or @@ or $$ or not.
Originally Posted By leobloom >>DVC owners are the whales of the theme park industry.<< %% Endangered? %% Sperm.
Originally Posted By MPierce >>DVC owners are the whales of the theme park industry.<< >> Endangered? << A term used to describe High Rollers in the gambling industry.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Just stuck another bag of popcorn in the microwave... << It's much better if you get white husk popcorn, melt some butter in a cast iron skillet, sprikle salt over the popcorn, cover, and shake on a burner until ready.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip vbdad... I know this violates the DVC'ers sacred pledge, but I think it is time to let out Disney's Best Kept Secret. A 2001 survey of DVC members had the following items at the top of the "most wanted" list. 1) Free transportation to WDW from MCO. 2) A Rolly Coaster for the AK. 3) DVC monorail resort. 4) New fireworks show for the MK. 5) New film for Star Tours at the Studios.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I have no problem with DVC at all. I do have a problem with the location of this new unit because I perceive it being in my sightline when I stay at the WL. The CR is within spitting distance of the WL, however you do not notice it. The reason this debate has carried on so long is because some believe the WDW Resort area is being overbuilt. Not only with DVC units, but with other standard hotel/motel units as well. We will probably be having a similar debate when the Flamingo Crossing area finally gets underway. Yes DVC is separate from the Parks, but they are controlled by the same corporation. That's why some people are angry. They feel that to much attention is being paid on DVC expansion versus Park expansion. Rightly or wrongly this comes about because the DVC's are being built on WDW property. When you combine that with the diminishing quality in several areas of WDW, you suddenly have an issue in some peoples eyes.>> Although I am enjoying the DVCers vs. fanboi sparring, that wasn't the point of the thread. And Pierce's point above illustrates it well. WDW is being overdeveloped. Period. DVC is a huge factor. But so are standard hotel rooms. As well as yet another attempt (people really should go ride thru celebration and see how 'great' it looks 16 years after creation) at a housing community in Golden Oak. ... And then there's the DoA Flamingo Crossing project. All quick real estate grabs while you have a water park rotting away (albeit, not for much longer) ... you have a dead night entertainment zone ... you have stale parks that are falling apart with vast dead zones due to years of cutting capacity in attractions, dining and retail, all while raising prices. You DVCers need to calm down. No one is blaming DVC for WDW's issues. But the reliance on it as a business model has certainly been a part of the Walmarting of WDW. That's just reality.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<This thread is a black hole of wasted time. Somewhere Disney execs are reading this and laughing. DVCers have little power. Non-DVS fanbois have little power. People who couldn't care less are the ones calling the shots. If Disney would just get off their a** and build some solid attractions and maintain the ones that are already there, I wouldn't care if they built five new DVC resorts. It ain't about class warfare (whoever stupidly brought that up). It's about SHODDY THEME PARK PLANNING AND MANAGEMENT.>> Absolutely, Leo. But that's just the problem, TDO believes it is running a timeshare/real estate/hotel company, not a theme park/resort/entertainment complex ... it really comes down to that. It's terrible because the parks are being viewed as something beyond secondary when it comes to running WDW. And despite the addition of DVC in California and, soon, Hawaii ... none of the resorts are run like WDW is. And it just seems to be getting worse each year.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >>>Right...what have they listened to you on? <<< <<SM Music.>> Nope. And it sucks. Really. <<Merch>> Nope. Except for some typical bright spots in EPCOT and DAK, it is worse than ever. Vinyl, pins, plush, homogenized Disney Parks crap, many resorts no longer having unique lines. Much worse. <<Food>> You are kidding here right? <<Maintenance.>> Yes. Improving somewhat ... but when buildings are rotting away they don't have much choice but to work on them ... right? <<It's not much, but there has been a upsurge since at least 2009, I would say. >> I wouldn't. Not overall ... some small steps forward, but more big steps back.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 >>No one is blaming DVC for WDW's issues<< methinks you need to read a little more closely - no it's not you, but read more of the posts, some think it is a 1:1 correlation.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Spirit... My objection is that the over-development complaint is always targeted at DVC. As I pointed out in a post the total number of DVC units at WDW is only 50% the number of units at the combined All Stars. The development of standard hotel rooms at WDW since 1990 totally dwarfs the development of DVC units. Why the widely held resentment of DVC?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 >>I know this violates the DVC'ers sacred pledge, but I think it is time to let out Disney's Best Kept Secret. A 2001 survey of DVC members had the following items at the top of the "most wanted" list. 1) Free transportation to WDW from MCO. 2) A Rolly Coaster for the AK. 3) DVC monorail resort. 4) New fireworks show for the MK. 5) New film for Star Tours at the Studios. << gee RT, no one listens to us..we're killing the parks by having more DVC'ers walk on carpeting and such ( one of my fave points so far- LOL ! )
Originally Posted By vbdad55 >> really ? nothing better to do than take a shot over something like that ? << It's either that or watch the Rays stink it up. Besides, I don't really care if you use >> << or -- or !! or @@ or $$ or not. --- well I get to watch my Stanley Cup Champion Blackhawks open up tonight on TV- so I am in too good a mood to return the cheap shot
Originally Posted By RoadTrip vbdad... I think you get my joke, but I should have put a winkie in my post. My little survey was of course made up. ;-)
Originally Posted By vbdad55 >> The development of standard hotel rooms at WDW since 1990 totally dwarfs the development of DVC units. Why the widely held resentment of DVC? << because we aren't paying our fair share as I read it...
Originally Posted By vbdad55 vbdad... I think you get my joke, but I should have put a winkie in my post. My little survey was of course made up. ;-) Of course it was-( but some similar items wereon survey responses) - but I would like to dig out some of the survey items from the last 5 years or more... I know most items were geared towards perks and facilities, but some were more general about WDW.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<My objection is that the over-development complaint is always targeted at DVC. >> No, it's not. Look at the thread about the Art of Animation resort.
